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2 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

Yaes Yak-9 is good looker and head turner, but Yak-9U has it all good looks and performance its top pick in any Yak miss contest, just look at that bubble curves and that botom rad and nouse is also slimlined and without bunmps compared to early yaks :)

 

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We should get the Yak-9U when we have a scenario to fly it with. It's a firmly late 44 and early 1945 fighter and if we want it then we should be prepared to ask for the Battle of Berlin or a similar late war scenario.

 

1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

Yes thats a problem with Yak-9s at this time, if Yak-9 or other 1943 yak-9s were available, guys who have Yak-1B or Yak-7b would probably see no point in geting it, but it could be used in SP campaigns in Kuban. 

But on other hand Yak-9s from 44-45 that could be good vs Doras and K-4s have no SP stuff like you say exept QM or maybe some user made scenarios on existing maps but "not full historical", so its not an easy choice Devs have there.

 

Depending on how they do the Yak-9 would probably change the calculus a bit. There were only about 300 of the initial Yak-9 series and several thousand of the Yak-9T both which flew and were used in 1943. The Yak-9T comes with several modifications and crucially the NS-37 cannon which makes the type unique. Yak-9Ts fought through to the end of the war so if people REALLY wanted to fly it against Bodenplatte aircraft it wouldn't be a-historical.

 

A Yak-9 Collector Plane can fit into Kuban and Kursk (Tank Crew) scenarios. Anything later (like the 9U or a Yak-3) doesn't fit and I want them when they can devote a scenario to it.

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1 minute ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

A Yak-9 Collector Plane can fit into Kuban and Kursk (Tank Crew) scenarios. Anything later (like the 9U or a Yak-3) doesn't fit and I want them when they can devote a scenario to it. 

 

I believe that was the general thrust of the debate.

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13 minutes ago, Diggun said:

I'm nominally at work, but tbh today is going to be entirely tabbing between this & bbc live news for the Hilarious Politics Show.


But, but... why watch the news? The cross country skiing season started today!❄️😁

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1 minute ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

 

I believe that was the general thrust of the debate.

 

And some were trying to squash a Yak-9U or a Yak-3 into it which is another matter entirely.

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14 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

And some were trying to squash a Yak-9U or a Yak-3 into it which is another matter entirely.

 

Sounds both painfully and unhealthy.

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But Yak-9 is not same 3D look as Yak-9T, so its either one or other, not both in one.

And just Yak-9 doesent bring anything to game when you have Yak-1B or Yak7b.

Yak-9T is good for 43 and early 44 and just good enought because it has that 37mm option, but it dosent outperform Yak7b, so its same like fighting Doras and K4s in it, but having one punch option.

Yak-9U is ultimate yak and on par with ultimate fw and 109s in game and thats why it would be desirable.

 

So from my point of view, i have yak-1b that i can use in 43 missions, i dont buy kuban as i buy la5fn, that i can use vs late german in 44

so only reson for me to buy yak-9 type as colletable would be if its better then la5fn vs late germans, and thats only yak9u, or it has some good gun like that ns-37 so i can fight stronger axis airplanes with something that kills them instantly, like i use lagg3 now vs g14s or g6s and a5s

 

i see it this way

 

if they realy think of making yak-9 , only making yak-9 is bad, it has to be something interesting, and atleast yak-9t, but would they have option to use that yak-9t in their carrier i dont know.

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At first I was a little bit hesitant about having aircraft without a theater, like a La-7 or this late Yak series but if the team releases later on an expansion on that timeframe with it's own aircraft series that can fit also these late planes, that could be a great idea. We would have also aircraft for MP battles while we wait.

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31 minutes ago, LF_Gallahad said:

At first I was a little bit hesitant about having aircraft without a theater, like a La-7 or this late Yak series but if the team releases later on an expansion on that timeframe with it's own aircraft series that can fit also these late planes, that could be a great idea. We would have also aircraft for MP battles while we wait.

 

That would also mean they get only sales from the MP folks. IIRC the BoX owning community splits up to 90% playing mostly singleplayer and 10% playing multiplayer (my own speculation, I might be way off here), so from that perspective it only makes sense to release collector planes for existing singleplayer modules or they risk to lose a huge amount of potential sales.

 

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Just now, sevenless said:

IIRC the BoX owning community splits up to 90% playing mostly singleplayer and 10% playing multiplayer


Where are these numbers from? A developer quote? Not doubting you but wish to know.

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11 minutes ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:


Where are these numbers from? A developer quote? Not doubting you but wish to know.

 

Oh sorry. Can´t answer that. IIRC it was mentioned here on the board. It is a guesstimate, so don´t quote me on that.

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there was 26000+ ppl playing on WoL only, there is 160000users on this forum ( not all own game) steam say the have betwen 50000-100000 users, so i think that 90/10 split is just repet from oleg times, now its differant, not more MP then SP but not that small.

 

But would SP guys buy Yak-9 to use it in Kuban when they have Yak-7B or Yak-1b, i dont beive they would see any new with only Yak-9 as collectable, its better to do some other airplane type then if Yak-9T/M/U cant be fit in campains on existing maps. 

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What's with all the fuss about the Yak-9 it's almost exactly the same as the 1B.

If there's another Yak I'd like to see it would be the Yak-3.

Oh and the 7 is my favorite right now so i'm very glad it was in Kuban.

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25% off for "Feedback Feature" functionality, valid until 20.11. - does it mean the patch with Po-2 next week?

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Huggy, but main debate is you cant have collectable airplane that cant be flown in carrier on existing maps as there is more SP gus and Yak-3 or ( Yak-9U) would be both by only MP guys :) how cant you understand.

 

so then insted Yak-9 just make Spitfire Mk.XIV as it can be used on BoBp carrier, BUT then VVS only players ( like now you have Luft only or USAF only) would not have anything new to buy for long time if they do PTO next, so then your back at point that its good to have some new VVS fighter to get money from thous VVS only players ... but if that fighter is not better then La5FN then why would they buy it...

 

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25% off for "Feedback Feature" functionality, valid until 20.11. - does it mean the patch with Po-2 next week?

 

or steam starts thanksgiving saile :)?

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30 minutes ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:


Where are these numbers from? A developer quote? Not doubting you but wish to know.

 

If fact it is said to be even less than 10%.
It’s been said by Jason over the years going back to ROF times, so no secret what so ever.
At the same occasion Jason went on this meant the MP crowd was not exactly a dev target.
In ROF days Syndicate once tallied the numbers of account holders visiting their server over a month and arrived at more than a thousand, +1.200 if my memory is correct.
At that moment their server had some evening (winter) times a full house and then maxed out at 65.

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The team continues to make ready our next update (3.007) and they are too busy to showcase anything from the upcoming update in this diary entry.

 

Me thinks this is a good sign for a patch next week. Wololo!

 

 

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1 hour ago, 77.CountZero said:

But Yak-9 is not same 3D look as Yak-9T, so its either one or other, not both in one.

 

I beg to differ. Several other planes in the sim are effectively 2-in-1 or even more. Both the Fw 190A5 and -A8 have the F-version built into their field mods, which involves extra armor and adds extra boost (for the A5) severely changing the FM of the planes. Adding the blister turret to the Pe-2 s. 87 changes it to the s. 110 and causes changes in the cockpit layout. Then of course there are the simpler engine mods of the La-5 and Spitfires as well as the clipped-wing version for the Spit Mk.IX. 

 

Making the Yak-9 and the Yak-9T different versions of the same aircraft would really not be much different than what already exists in game.

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27 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

Then of course there are the simpler engine mods of the La-5 and Spitfires as well as the clipped-wing version for the Spit Mk.IX.

 

Just think of the other a/c for which that might also work...🤩

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27 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

I beg to differ. Several other planes in the sim are effectively 2-in-1 or even more. Both the Fw 190A5 and -A8 have the F-version built into their field mods, which involves extra armor and adds extra boost (for the A5) severely changing the FM of the planes. Adding the blister turret to the Pe-2 s. 87 changes it to the s. 110 and causes changes in the cockpit layout. Then of course there are the simpler engine mods of the La-5 and Spitfires as well as the clipped-wing version for the Spit Mk.IX. 

 

Making the Yak-9 and the Yak-9T different versions of the same aircraft would really not be much different than what already exists in game.

 

The whole cokpit is at diferant positions betwen Yak-9 and 9T, also prop is differant, its not as simple as the ones they did 2 in 1, we dont have g14 and g14AS, or 47D-28 and D-30 and they also have less neccesary changes in 3D look then Yak 9 and Yak-9T would need, if they say they are doing it that way no problem but i think that differances are to big in this case.

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48 minutes ago, Finkeren said:

 

I beg to differ. Several other planes in the sim are effectively 2-in-1 or even more. Both the Fw 190A5 and -A8 have the F-version built into their field mods, which involves extra armor and adds extra boost (for the A5) severely changing the FM of the planes. Adding the blister turret to the Pe-2 s. 87 changes it to the s. 110 and causes changes in the cockpit layout. Then of course there are the simpler engine mods of the La-5 and Spitfires as well as the clipped-wing version for the Spit Mk.IX. 

 

Making the Yak-9 and the Yak-9T different versions of the same aircraft would really not be much different than what already exists in game.

Not really the same. The entire cockpit is in different places. Yak-9 would be great for people that don't have the Yak-1b or want both. Yak-9t would be awesome too.

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1 hour ago, Danziger said:

Not really the same. The entire cockpit is in different places. Yak-9 would be great for people that don't have the Yak-1b or want both. Yak-9t would be awesome too.

 

Easy solution: release two airframes 😁 You can´t have enough Yaks, can you?

 

Module 1: (Yak 7DI / Yak9 / Yak9B / Yak9D) - Timeframe 12/42 - 5/45

 

Module 2: (Yak9T / Yak9K / Yak9M) Timeframe 4/43 - 5/45

 

Oh and I forgot the possible 3rd airframe:

 

Module 3: (Yak9P / Yak9U) Timeframe 10/44 - 5/45

 

Modules 1, 2 and 3 need different 3D models, because of significant differences in wing and hull shape. Modules 1 and 2 could fly in SP on BoS and/or BoK, Module 3 would be MP only due to a lack of a late war BoX eastfront release.

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2 hours ago, sevenless said:

The team continues to make ready our next update (3.007) and they are too busy to showcase anything from the upcoming update in this diary entry.

 

Me thinks this is a good sign for a patch next week. Wololo!

 

 

Yes I agree.  I betting the on 20th or 21st.  :popcorm: 

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9 hours ago, 77.CountZero said:

 

The whole cokpit is at diferant positions betwen Yak-9 and 9T, also prop is differant, its not as simple as the ones they did 2 in 1, we dont have g14 and g14AS, or 47D-28 and D-30 and they also have less neccesary changes in 3D look then Yak 9 and Yak-9T would need, if they say they are doing it that way no problem but i think that differances are to big in this case.

 

Bigger changes to the 3D but not completely over the top changes either. The cockpit is moved but its essentially the same cockpit. The propeller hub is a bit different. If there are more dramatic airframe differences under the hood then yes we'd probably need two separate models.

 

A Yak-9T would be nice though :)

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8 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Easy solution: release two airframes 😁 You can´t have enough Yaks, can you?

 

Module 1: (Yak 7DI / Yak9 / Yak9B / Yak9D) - Timeframe 12/42 - 5/45

 

Module 2: (Yak9T / Yak9K / Yak9M) Timeframe 4/43 - 5/45

 

Oh and I forgot the possible 3rd airframe:

 

Module 3: (Yak9P / Yak9U) Timeframe 10/44 - 5/45

 

Modules 1, 2 and 3 need different 3D models, because of significant differences in wing and hull shape. Modules 1 and 2 could fly in SP on BoS and/or BoK, Module 3 would be MP only due to a lack of a late war BoX eastfront release.

 

This is more in line with what I was thinking. There are some pretty significant airframe (read 3D) changes to the -9 from 1942-1945.

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17 hours ago, SvAF/F16_radek said:


Where are these numbers from? A developer quote? Not doubting you but wish to know.

Jason himself said that 90% of the customer base was single player in one of his Q&A sessions , from the man himself 2.33.00 time stamp.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0TawmZ49oU

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23 hours ago, BlackSix said:

We won't be able to use any soviet planes produced in 1944 -45 in the Eastern Front career. It would be the planes only for MP and quick missions.

 

I could imagine a Yak collector's planeset consisting of three models - working title: "You won't suck in a Yak!":

- a basic Yak-9 "aft cockpit" with the 37mm gun option, the enlarged tank option (making it a 9DD) and a 45mm gun option)

- a Yak-3 with options to make it a '44 and a '45 airframe

- a Yak-9U/P airplane

 

That would basicly cover Kursk to Berlin in terms of Yaks.

This would also offer different sets of careers - from normal fighters, over to tank-busters over to escort fighters.

 

The Yak-9U/P can extend as far out as early Korea.

 

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Maybe you could start a Yak-9 thread and keep this one for the Wololo!

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While I would love a Yak-9, I would rather it be part of a pack then released as a separate collectors plane. It's such a core aircraft for the 2nd half of the war, and while not always possible I feel collectors are better used for the slightly more uncommon machines.

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Another Yak is much like another 109 for me.  If there was going to be another Soviet fighter, I'd rather they rewind and do a Polikarpov I-153.

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22 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

Another Yak is much like another 109 for me.  If there was going to be another Soviet fighter, I'd rather they rewind and do a Polikarpov I-153.

 

You never know.

If the Po-2 becomes a succes who knows what else the 3dr party developer plans to create. :)

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2 hours ago, Archie said:

Maybe you could start a Yak-9 thread and keep this one for the Wololo!

May we just add Wololo! at the end of each post and continue to discuss the Yak-9 here? :)

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37 minutes ago, Uufflakke said:

If the Po-2 becomes a succes who knows what else the 3dr party developer plans to create. :)

 

10 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

May we just add Wololo! at the end of each post and continue to discuss the Yak-9 here? :)

I think it would be very Wololo! if more 3th party development would be made (maps, early and late war planes, more variants of planes).

 

Under tight supervision of the original dev team off course.

 

Have a nice day.

 

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On 11/16/2018 at 5:15 PM, 77.CountZero said:

 

The whole cokpit is at diferant positions betwen Yak-9 and 9T, also prop is differant, its not as simple as the ones they did 2 in 1, we dont have g14 and g14AS, or 47D-28 and D-30 and they also have less neccesary changes in 3D look then Yak 9 and Yak-9T would need, if they say they are doing it that way no problem but i think that differances are to big in this case.

You are right however there is a similar problem with the Yak 9U, there is actually 3 of them all three very different according to the version and the period of production:

 

early U had the same wing just as the Yak9 with blunted shape wingtip (most beautiful wing ever🙂), engine M-105 PF2.

 

Late U had round shape wingtip with greater wingspan, engine M-107A with new ViCh-107LO propeller, axial canon MP-20.

 

UT different all metal wing, longer fuselage, option for 37mm+2X20mm, 23mm or 45mm

 

Wololo🤭

 

BTW my wallet is ready...

 

Yak9 blunt shaped wings are so beautiful i had to post this video of a 1990s replica

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

Another Yak is much like another 109 for me.  If there was going to be another Soviet fighter, I'd rather they rewind and do a Polikarpov I-153.

 

3 hours ago, Uufflakke said:

 

You never know.

If the Po-2 becomes a succes who knows what else the 3dr party developer plans to create. :)

doing i-153 would be better then doing u-2, more interesting airplane for this game, and could do same things u-2 can do and more.

 

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4 hours ago, Uufflakke said:

 

You never know.

If the Po-2 becomes a succes who knows what else the 3dr party developer plans to create. :)

 

Yes, I also hope the PO-2/U-2 will be a success. There are so many left out planes which could be intergrated into the current career system / timeframes...BoM with early YaK-1s, or I-153s end so on and so forth.

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On 11/8/2018 at 3:47 PM, Feathered_IV said:

Last night I dreamed I was caught between two bouncing jugs...

 

Thats why they created simulations:  To give certain people like you an experience that they don't get in real life.

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3 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Yes, I also hope the PO-2/U-2 will be a success. There are so many left out planes which could be intergrated into the current career system / timeframes...BoM with early YaK-1s, or I-153s end so on and so forth.

I hope the U-2 will be made relevant online in missions. Like recon or pickup missions maybe. I also hope they do the Li-2 so that we can have transport objectives in non combat aircrafts on both sides.

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1 hour ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

Thats why they created simulations:  To give certain people like you an experience that they don't get in real life.

 

BIG OOF CHIEF

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Man do I hope the update is released today. I'm off today and tomorrow and could really use the entertainment

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I Know the hipe is for the Jug, great plane.😉

But for me I hope to have more info about P51 development....love this plane a lot !!!

 

MUSTANG.jpg

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