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It'll be a fun little plane. It'll get used very little because it won't make anyone an instant Hartmann or Marseille. It'll see use by those that are fans of it, or those that are more capable in general and want a bit of a challenge. Due to the longer wing to negate the torque effects, it's also a bit more stable as far as snap stalling because the design is built to prevent that.

 

The 205, obviously not applicable but just as a talking point, would have been amazingly good. It is more powerful, has better fire power and better handling.

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Hello all,

 

I'll have to wait until the 202 arrives but it should be able to down IL2's, just don't shoot them where they're armoured, i.e., the wings. Not sure about BoS, but in the 'old' il2 sim, the outer wings were relatively fragile and you could wreck them quite easily with lightly armed kites.

 

May be, but i would not stay behind an IL2 when VVS fighters are all around escorting it. Too much time without 20mm.

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Engine pressure ecc. ecc.

 

Decollo - Take Off

Salita - Climb

Velocità orizzontale - Level

 

Normale - Normal

Eccezionale - Combat

Eccezionalissima - Emergency

 

Senza limiti - No limits

May you confirm that it's for the series VIII ?

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May you confirm that it's for the series VIII ?

IIRC every production variant of the Folgore used the same engine and propeller and roughly the same cooling system, so I can't imagine why the engines limits would depend on the series?

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[data sheet with time limits]

I wonder what we will see in BoM, will there be some situational evaluation to determine if it's a "normal" or a "combat" situation, so that the timer can decide if the engine explodes after 10 minutes or never?

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May be, but i would not stay behind an IL2 when VVS fighters are all around escorting it. Too much time without 20mm.

 

True enough  :cool:

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I come from Italy, then I know that many will think that I am a bit sided on this topic. In any case I've read a lot of materials about the 202 and the fights he took part.

There's little to debate about the fact that the plane was undergunned.

Btw it's flight caratheristics were generally superior to the 109 except on what is related to the engine power. At the end of 1942/beginning of 1943 american pilots were teached to avoid any turn fight against the 202, while they were allowed to accept manouvered fights with the 109s (F & G versions).

Also reading this book,

http://www.amazon.com/Eagles-Over-Gazala-Battles-Africa/dp/887565168X

which is one of the most credited about North Africa battles during 1942 there are similar opinions. The 202 was considered a match almost equally dangerous than the 109F.

Considered this, my humble opinion about the 202 reputation in the flight sim community is that many are reporting impressions taken from the way it was modeled in IL2 1946 rather than from historical sources. 

I had the luck to talk with Regia aeronautica pilots when they were still alive and all of them were considering the 202 as a plane with better flight caratheristics than the 109s of the same era.

Obviously these can be considered sided opinion too, but I hadn't the impression that those pilots were trying to celebrate anything when talking of war events......

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It will be very interesting to see how it will perform here. I remember I've read somewhere that the 202 took 20 000 hours to manufacture compared to something like 5000 hours for the 109. 

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It will be very interesting to see how it will perform here. I remember I've read somewhere that the 202 took 20 000 hours to manufacture compared to something like 5000 hours for the 109. 

 

Yes......  typical italian... We did produce aircraft as they were Ferrari, not war machines to reproduce quickly.

 

Macchi, was a work of art.

 

However, this is the reason because 202 and 205 were so tough (and heavy). What is not written in the manuals is the diving speed it was able to reach. Some survived pilots did report very high speed ("out of range") during the diving escape, the same speed that did save them from the enemy fighters.

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I have no clue how the fm will compare to the one in IL2 but I am eager to find out. Regardless, It is very refreshing to see this bird, it will for sure be more challenging to fight in compared to the 109 and a challenge is Always a good thing to hone one's skill. Besides; Italian warstallions Always look good - designwise the Italians have Always delivered... from hardware to tailormade suits.

 

SvAF for sure have a few pilots who will fly this bird with pleasure when on Axis side.

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I think it should be a pretty good performer... The Ferrari comment holds water with me. A lot of things were thought of during design of the aircraft to make sure it was fairly tame in all situations. The 109 is a handful at low speeds even with the operational slats... Torque aside the 109 seems to suffer greatly in these situations from propwash and P-factor. I've come to the conclusion the biggest advantage of the asymmetric wing is redirecting the immense forces of propwash.

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With HE 12.7 rounds, I expect even the Breda-SAFATs to keep up with the UBS, but that's just my "highly educated internet person" guess.

 

I think that overall, it'll be a very good match for the P-40, which as X-Plane has taught me, handles like an absolute dog.

Expect lots and lost of one-wing stalls.

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The P-40 is going to surprise you then. It was a very good fighter below 4km.
 

 

Nothing new then... The russian fighters performs the best when below 4km  :P

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The P-40 is going to surprise you then. It was a very good fighter below 4km.

 

That may be the case, but it's low speed maneuvering is terrible.  When you do get it going, it can actually do some decent turning, but you have to really watch your AoA.

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Im curious about how the six 50cals will feel in the game.

 

Ive played CLOD briefly but i really didnt enjoy the feel of the guns. I like it much better in BOS

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You guys are gonna like the 202. :) 

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I wrote an article about the superb Italian Air Force museum at Vigna di Valle outside Rome some years ago. Here are a couple of pics I took for the article. That's an MC.202 hidden behind the Sparviero in the overview shot. The close-up is of an MC.205. I believe the planes are a bit pieced together from several examples but my memory is a bit hazy on that. Anyway, if you ever go to Rome this museum is well-worth a daytrip!

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The C.202 in the Italian Air Force Museum is not completely original, many parts have been rebuilt, and also in a way not very good, like the propeller spinner, the bottom engine panel , that lack all the air scoops, the right wing etc.

The C.205 is a hybrid aircraft, because had a C.202 fuselage (you can see the fixed tailwheel, while the C.205 had a retractable tailwheel) with the new FIAT R.A. 1050 R.C.58 Tifone engine.

By the way, after the armistice, many Veltro's were rebuilt in that way in South Italy ...

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"And in August 2015 early access to another BOM plane will be offered. Those players who purchased the Premium Edition of BOM will get the Italian MC.202 Series VIII in just a couple of weeks."

- Email status report from the developers.

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I always wondered why this plane wasnt fitted with better guns. Then again its a question how it would perform with heavier cannons.

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Today is August.  I am filled with anticipation.

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The C.202 in the Italian Air Force Museum is not completely original, many parts have been rebuilt, and also in a way not very good, like the propeller spinner, the bottom engine panel , that lack all the air scoops, the right wing etc.

The C.205 is a hybrid aircraft, because had a C.202 fuselage (you can see the fixed tailwheel, while the C.205 had a retractable tailwheel) with the new FIAT R.A. 1050 R.C.58 Tifone engine.

By the way, after the armistice, many Veltro's were rebuilt in that way in South Italy ...

Grazie per l'informazioni Pag!

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thank's Pag....

this summer I should go back to Vigna di Valle to get another shirt for now I only pole of the Greyhound (205 Veltro) .. :bye:

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Almost Mid August now...  Hope its not "Oh, we meant end of August!"

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im interested to see  how this longer wing will actually perform at reducing the torque effect from the engine, as i would assume it will only be 100% in balance at one speed therefore we might have a condition similar to the 109s lack of rudder trim i.e its in balance at cruise speed but is a bit of a pain at higher or lower speeds

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