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Have you taken a look to see if this approach can be used with the RoF maps too?
 

 

Yes, it's compatible with ROF maps with minimal changes in script.

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Yes, it's compatible with ROF maps with minimal changes in script.

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Awesome!  Tried these out and they work great on my PC. Thanks again for doing these and sharing them!

 

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to me that there's any way to just put these files on an iPad and run them offline like you can on a PC. I'm still going to try to see if I can run these things online from the iPad, but I only see an online link for the BoS one - do you have online links for the RoF ones too?  Is that something that you have to do or is there a way for users to set that up themselves? I have a simple "private" website I created a while back as an experiment (it's out there on the web with a free hosting outfit but nobody knows about it as I don't publicize it) and I was wondering if this is something that could be put on a site like that and run from there so it wouldn't be dependent upon you having to host and maintain it or on your site always being available down the road?

 

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File is unzipped and what I get is this ....

 

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Chief - did you unzip the whole "Ruler" folder, or just the newmap.html file?  The first time, I did the latter, and got what you showed.  But when I unzipped the whole "Ruler" folder  and then created a shortcut to the newmap.html file, it opened up and worked just fine.

 

Also, what browser are you using?

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@Nobby - this is really intriguing and should prove very useful.  I do have a couple of questions or perhaps "feature requests" for consideration:

 

1.  How hard would it be to make the pinch/zoom functionality of tablets work with this?  On my iPad at least, the zoom buttons are a bit hard to see/find, and more importantly the jumps between zoom levels are quite large - it tends to go from too small to too big with one button press, so you don't have the fine zooming control that the pinch/zoom mechanic gives you.

 

2.  How hard would it be to enable some sort of "full screen" capability, so you could toggle off all the HUD/control/editing elements once you're finished plotting your flight plan?  I've found it really nice with my old RoF map methodology to be able to just have the map itself showing - it tends not to interfere with the "immersion" feeling of the game to be just looking at a map instead of a map inside a web browser screen (plus, it gives you more usable real estate on the screen for the map itself rather than taking up space with the HUD elements).

 

3.  How hard would it be to alter the mechanic so that the waypoints/legs could be independent of each other, instead of always having to go from the previous one?  I'd like to be able to plot out various legs that aren't continuous (e.g., perhaps to show paths for two flights (mine and the one I'm escorting), or to create a chart showing legs from various key landmarks back to my airfield, to help find my way home if I get lost but can find one of the landmarks).

 

Obviously, none of these are critical but I think they'd be "nice to haves" if they aren't too hard.

 

Thanks again for this really cool app!

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File is unzipped and what I get is this ....

 

 

EKgkUuW.png

 

 

Chief

Opps. No idea why it happens.

What platform (operating system) and browser do you use? Can you show screen of folder in Explorer?

 

 

 

 Is that something that you have to do or is there a way for users to set that up themselves? I have a simple "private" website I created a while back as an experiment (it's out there on the web with a free hosting outfit but nobody knows about it as I don't publicize it) and I was wondering if this is something that could be put on a site like that and run from there so it wouldn't be dependent upon you having to host and maintain it or on your site always being available down the road?

 

Everyone can add this tool on his own web-site. As for me, I don't create a site as such. I simply used the Google Drive for "hosting" and I hope it will work a long time. 

Online links for ROF maps: Channel, Europe, Ukraine.

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Everyone can add this tool on his own web-site. As for me, I don't create a site as such. I simply used the Google Drive for "hosting" and I hope it will work a long time. 

Online links for ROF maps: Channel, Europe, Ukraine.

 

Hmm - "Google Drive"?  Is that some sort of cloud-based storage thing Google has (like iCloud, perhaps)?  I have never messed with any of those cloud storage mechanisms, so I don't know how they work.  Would I just put a copy of the relevant "Ruler" folder on some sort of cloud drive, from Google or Apple maybe?  If so, how would I tell my browser (e.g., Safari) how to find it and run it?  

 

BTW - thanks for the online links to the RoF maps apps   :salute:

 

I'm going to look into signing up for that Google Drive thing and see if I can back into this by looking at your online links.

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@ Nobby

 

Well, I signed up for Google drive and uploaded one of the Ruler folders to it, but I have not yet been able to figure out how to create a link to it that will open it up in a browser :(

 

I've been able to get links that would let me view or edit the file, but not "run" it the way it runs when I click on one of the online links you provided.

 

What's the secret?

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Well, I signed up for Google drive and uploaded one of the Ruler folders to it, but I have not yet been able to figure out how to create a link to it that will open it up in a browser   I've been able to get links that would let me view or edit the file, but not "run" it the way it runs when I click on one of the online links you provided.   What's the secret?
 

http://thenextweb.com/google/2013/02/05/google-drive-now-lets-developers-share-hosted-websites-by-storing-html-javascript-and-css-files/

 

 

1.  How hard would it be to make the pinch/zoom functionality of tablets work with this?  On my iPad at least, the zoom buttons are a bit hard to see/find, and more importantly the jumps between zoom levels are quite large - it tends to go from too small to too big with one button press, so you don't have the fine zooming control that the pinch/zoom mechanic gives you.

 

2.  How hard would it be to enable some sort of "full screen" capability, so you could toggle off all the HUD/control/editing elements once you're finished plotting your flight plan?  I've found it really nice with my old RoF map methodology to be able to just have the map itself showing - it tends not to interfere with the "immersion" feeling of the game to be just looking at a map instead of a map inside a web browser screen (plus, it gives you more usable real estate on the screen for the map itself rather than taking up space with the HUD elements).

 

3.  How hard would it be to alter the mechanic so that the waypoints/legs could be independent of each other, instead of always having to go from the previous one?  I'd like to be able to plot out various legs that aren't continuous (e.g., perhaps to show paths for two flights (mine and the one I'm escorting), or to create a chart showing legs from various key landmarks back to my airfield, to help find my way home if I get lost but can find one of the landmarks).

1. I don't know how to do it

2. It should be easy

3. It's not hard, but for that i need to remake a big part of script.

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Nobby - thanks, but I'm still having a problem with this that maybe you can help me with.  At the link you provided it had the following instructions about how to "host" this on Google Drive:

 

Here’s what you have to do:

  1. Create a new folder in Drive and share it as “Public on the web.”

  2. Upload your HTML, JS & CSS files to this folder.

  3. Open the HTML file & you will see “Preview” button in the toolbar.

  4. Share the URL that looks like www.googledrive.com/host/… from the preview window and anyone can view your web page.

I got to the third item, but cannot figure out what they mean by "open" the HTML file - I've tried various things to do to the newmap.html file in that folder, but they all just seem to open up some sort of editor with a bunch of text HTML code or something, and the "preview" link/URLs I can get just take me to the folder or into that same edit mode and don't actually "run" the map app like your online links do.

 

Sorry to be such a pain - I'm sure it's something simple that I'm missing here but I can't figure out what it might be.

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Opps. No idea why it happens.

What platform (operating system) and browser do you use? Can you show screen of folder in Explorer?

 

 

 

 

Everyone can add this tool on his own web-site. As for me, I don't create a site as such. I simply used the Google Drive for "hosting" and I hope it will work a long time. 

Online links for ROF maps: Channel, Europe, Ukraine.

 

Windows 7 Home premium and IE 11 .... the past picture was a screen capture of it opened in IE 11.

 

Chief

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Works fine in FireFox so I'm ok .... it just doesn't like IE11 I guess ...

It works in IE too, but on first run IE blocks all scripts. As i remember IE must show popup message about it with big button for activating scripts. 

I got to the third item, but cannot figure out what they mean by "open" the HTML file - I've tried various things to do to the newmap.html file in that folder, but they all just seem to open up some sort of editor with a bunch of text HTML code or something, and the "preview" link/URLs I can get just take me to the folder or into that same edit mode and don't actually "run" the map app like your online links do.

 

For getting link you should select file, after that click on "details", and scroll the page down. 

 

 

 

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Okay I give up.

 

How does one minimize the game out of the briefing screen or inflight for that matter so one can input waypoints, targeting, etc.. using this excellent tool?

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Would love to use this on my second monitor but bos minimizes when i click off it and dont exactly want to run the game in windowed mode unless there's a window borderless

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@ Nobby

 

Thanks for trying, but when I select the .html file and click for the details, there is no "hosting" heading or link anywhere to be found.

 

I'll keep looking later tonight, but so far no luck :(

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Hey Nobby - Well, maybe this has something to do with whether you're using the "New" Google Drive or not.  I switched back out of the "New" version, and now tonight I'm getting the same screen and "hosting" section as shown in your screenshots, and I was able to get a link that works to "run" the BoS map from the location on my Google Drive.

 

Sorry for the confusion, but thanks for the help (and thanks again for this great map app)   :salute:

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This should be a standard mission tool in MP servers so we can plan our attacks.

 

 

DEVS's   ^^^^^

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Nobby Hi

 

Fantastic aid to navigation, I'm sure a lot of people will find it really useful, I know I will - many thanks! 

 

I don't know whether it would be possible to add a programmable timer/interval timer/delay timer for example  http://www.online-stopwatch.com/interval-timer/  which I think would be really helpful.

 

Also I don't know whether it would be possible to edit your tool to show airfield runway alignments, this could perhaps be done by placing a line through the centre of each airfield icon to represent main runway alignment.

 

Again thank you for all your hard work and for a great tool, I look forward to using it and I hope you don't mind me suggesting changes to the tool. I don't know whether other users would agree with my suggestions, if not, it's fine I will use as is.  Kind regards...

 

Pajeka

 

 

 

Hi Guys,

 

I thought I'd try and explain why I personally felt it may be better to use an interval timer rather than individual stopwatches with this package. The free interval timer in question (shortcut above) was found whilst browsing and I believe it offers greater flexibility by offering a number of useful options. I personally anticipate using it to aid DR nav by providing accurate timing over individual legs within a plotted route (see attached). The timer itself can hold numerous named (editable) intervals/waypoints (I gave up after installing 21) and can either automatically or manually change to 'next leg' in the sequence. In addition it can be used 'online' or downloaded to PC where it is resizeable. I would certainly recommend that you have a play with the timer to see whether it fulfills your requirements. I have attached a 'set up' screenshot showing how I anticipate using it in the future with the 'Ruler' package. I think I should also mention that I have no association with this timer programme and I assume that other interval timers will work equally as well. I hope you find it useful...

 

Pajeka  BOS Timer.pdf

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My apology up front for asking what may be seemingly silly questions but, I plotted a course today from one airfield to a target field and it was 114. So once I took off turned to course 114. I then placed the aircraft on level autopilot. It flux between 114 and 116. I placed my speed at 255 prior to level auto pilot. I watched the time carefully. It was estimated at 14 minutes from take off to target.

 

When the time was up I looked for the base. I saw plumb of smoke to my left. I flew near and saw a base. Assuming this was my target I landed. Only to find out I was WAY off to the south west of my target. I realize a degree or two can make a difference but this far off?  

 

What did I do wrong? And how do I correct it?

 

Chief

 

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My apology up front for asking what may be seemingly silly questions but, I plotted a course today from one airfield to a target field and it was 114. So once I took off turned to course 114. I then placed the aircraft on level autopilot. It flux between 114 and 116. I placed my speed at 255 prior to level auto pilot. I watched the time carefully. It was estimated at 14 minutes from take off to target.

 

When the time was up I looked for the base. I saw plumb of smoke to my left. I flew near and saw a base. Assuming this was my target I landed. Only to find out I was WAY off to the south west of my target. I realize a degree or two can make a difference but this far off?  

 

What did I do wrong? And how do I correct it?

 

Chief

 

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Did you maybe have a strong headwind from ESE?

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I just flew a couple of test missions to see how close my flight plans would come to my plotted one of the map with this tool.  I noticed that I tended to drift slightly off course compared to the map tool's path, but nothing as extreme as what Chief saw.  In my case, it was certainly close enough to still be extremely useful and I was definitely within sight and in the vicinity of the target when the allotted time expired (though my test flights were a bit shorter - only about 10-12 minutes each - with a longer flight the error might have been a bit more troublesome).

 

The one thing I noticed that is "missing" from the tool (as far as I can tell) that would be really handy to have would be a scale for the map.  It was hard to tell how far off my actual flight path was from the plan without a scale to judge by.  Would a scale be a hard thing to add?

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LOL - yeah, I guess that was pretty easy to figure out by just using the "Ruler" across one of the quadrants - doh!  

 

So, OK, I was only about 4 Km off after a 12-13 minute flight - I'd say that's close enough for government work :)

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Did a test, He 111 flying HDG 240º  ~3000M, wind 13 m/s coming from 319º (coming at ~90 degrees from right).

 

Fly for 128 KM, the deviation for left after ~30 m end in a real course 233º  = 7º.

 

Folks, time to learn about the "WInd Triangle", IAS>TAS, KM>Miles, Meters>Feets, Flight Computers...  :)

 

To use the 3rd function there:

 

http://www.csgnetwork.com/e6bcalc.html

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Sokol1 Hi

 

You mention a 7 degree 'deviation' on to real course 233deg. I think that the wind actually blew the aircraft off it's 'heading' and on to it's 'track'. The difference between the two being the 'Drift Angle'. The term Deviation (in navigation) is used to describe the correction factor (measured in Deg/min/secs/) to be applied to 'Magnetic' course to provide 'Compass' course ( or vice versa). Same as 'Variation' is applied to convert between 'True' and 'Magnetic'. 'Deviation' is (was?) calculated by aircraft technicians carrying out a 'compass swing' of the aircraft which took into account the effect on the compass of cockpit instrumentation/airframe etc at regular intervals through 360 degrees of the compass rose. A 'deviation chart' was then left adjacent to that individual compass allowing aircrew to factor in the correction as necessary. This chart was reviewed and updated regularly (annually?) to keep data current/accurate. I believe that 'Deviation' corrections were typically low in value and rarely taken into account when calculating 'Compass' because the crew would typically be steering 'Magnetic course' plus/minus a couple of degrees anyway (without autopilot). I am however sure there are flyers amongst us who can consistently fly their courses accurately and without error (not me) ;)

 

Cheers Pajeka

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Yes, that wind thing, drift (not related with magnetic deviation).

 

Desvio.jpg
 
In the above flight the drift was ~15 KM for left  (13 m/s wind coming from ~90º right)
 
To deal with this wind drift is need do the "Wind Triangle" calculation.
 
As BoS planes instruments is in metric system and those E6B, CR3 "Flight Computers" are in the (illogical :P ) imperial, make complicate use the above applet (need convert meters to feed, KM/H to miles/H...)...
 
I saw a mention in the Russian forum to NL-10 (Russian "Flight Computer). NL-10 (a slide ruler) is based on Dreieckrechner DR-2 disk (metric system).
 
VO101_Tom has a Russian NL-7. But how use this?
 
Here has a online "Wind Triangle Calculator" that handle metric system.
 
 
Using the first option with my flight parameters the result is satisfactory:
 

Wind_Tr.jpg
 
In that wind conditions to maintain a course of 240º is need follow the HDG 247º.
 
Drawbacks:
 
- Is need convert wind speed m/s in KM/H  - I use ttp://www.metrication.com/MetricConversionCalculator/windows.html'>Convert.
 
- Is need convert IAS to TAS - I use VO101_Tom DR-2 disk.
 
Of course this is more mater of curiosity. ;)
 
For these typical BoS online flight (>100KM), just use more reference points in your route, less spaced, check and do the necessary corrections.
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Just adding for some that are using a tablet i don't know why but I have to

run the program with Explorer.

 

It does not load the map in Goggle chrome but just the tools.

 

I am running Win 8.1

 

So what I do is open the Ruler folder and right click on new map

and then select ''open with'' and then Internet explorer.

 

My default browser is Google chrome and the ''new map '' icon is

Google chrome because of it and it does not open right with Chrome..

 

Just wanted to share the info for some with tablets like me.

 

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WOW! I sorry but I'm starting to think I need to go back to school to grasp most of this. But thanks for all this. I understand in principle about the wind part. but the rest .....  When I take off is there a specific point on the originating base I need to take my heading form? I.e. control tower or such?

 

Chief

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WOW! I sorry but I'm starting to think I need to go back to school to grasp most of this. But thanks for all this. I understand in principle about the wind part. but the rest .....  When I take off is there a specific point on the originating base I need to take my heading form? I.e. control tower or such?

 

Chief

 

I don't think you really need to worry about that degree of precision as to the starting point, given the other variables involved with trying to fly these planes.  But if you want to pick a point I would suggest the far end of the runway, since that's where you'll be airborne and starting to be able to fly any particular course.

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 When I take off is there a specific point on the originating base I need to take my heading form? I.e. control tower or such?

 

 

 

 

The question is, we draw the pretended course in Ruler like we do with a pencil and ruler over a printed map. Perfect... if have no wind.

 

But as this draw don't consider the wind variable (that in game depend on map settings), the way to deal with the wind drift is done the "Wind Triangle" calculation(1) to add correction to the pretended course.

 

In game a way to avoid do this calculations (after all for many "It's only a game.") is add more reference points through your route, for example in your above flight divide the course in 3 parts.

This force you do more frequent checks and corrections and get where you want despite the wind.

 

(1) In "Dr. WHO'leg World" (il-2'46, CloD) the real life rules, like formula to convert IAS in TAS, or E6B/DR-2 calculations don't fit 100%...

 

BTW  - In what map (online?) and winch plane you did this flight? I am curious about the wind conditions there.

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HI all.

Just wanna say its a great tool ,maybe somebody familiar with android could make simple app for map, would be great.

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