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So... enjoying as I am this new, SUPERB, flight Dynamics, I couldn't resist starting a few sessions at the EXPERT servers yesterady.

 

Spent practically all the 25th and 26th, when PC slot's available ( a lot of them are reserved for Facebook sessions by the rest of the family :-/ ) playing my two preferred flightsims EVER - il-2 BoS as of the latest two patches and DCS World ( RoF too, but didn't have the time to give it a turn... )

 

And, since I was up to EXPERT stuff, I went DED and SYN :-) 

 

In il-2 I can at least glimpse other aircraft, start approaching them and identifying if friend or foe, and eventually even entering a dogfight, and sometimes even scoring 1 out of each 3 dogfights :-)

 

But as I managed to taxi ( BTW: I even love the táxi physics now, specially on the G2 and F4, although I don't think the latest patches changed anything in this área ? ) and takeoff from my base and started climbing to cruise, looking for something to shot at.... Nothing for more than 5 looooong minutes, so, I headed to one of the enemy airbases, and straffed a truck :-), then a parked Bf109, and as I was getting ready for my third pass, I heard someone commenting: "noobs..."  "yeah, the guy just straffed a truck hehehe..."

 

Now, this is more than I can stand!!!! Where are my scores for that straffed truck? And my Medal of Honor for not even glimpsing the guy who shot from my 6 in just  couple of minutes after my 3rd pass, without me even knowing he was there ???

 

Well, joke appart, I wonder if it is offensive to straff, on those SYN and DED servers set for EXPERT mode? Shouldn't I do it? Heck! Isn't this "realistic" ? Did those ww2 fighter pilots stay away from straffing other than for reasons pertainig only to the risk they would incur in by getting so close to the AAA ?

 

Well, it certainly felt good to me, until that Yak-1 got on my 6 :-/

 

:-)

 

Lovin'it!!!!  il-2 BoS got new life with this last updates !!!!!

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How dare you strafe a parked 109.

was there a human in it? Was he firing up his engine? was the canopy open? were the flaps down?

Please tell me you did. kill. that. sonofagun Lolwaffle Pilot.

yea, we have a sort of Vulching "problem" in here.
At least the Lolwaffles complain about me doing so and being a proud destroyer of OKW assets, be that air, land, sea.

So maybe "They got a problem" is more accurate muwahahahaha :P

Their game is not PC, and several Civil rights associations have already set up lawyer funds to push for a legal ban of any Strafing and vulching activities in combat Flight Simulators.

when contacted, neither Oleg maddox, nor Team Daidalos or 777 Studios dared to comment on the issue.

Chivalry gone overboard, and War is not as fun as we always see in the documentaries either.

 

Vulture!

Noob!

Did you not see the "Strafing prohibited" sign upon entering the Server!

Can't you Read...

I hope you got permabanned...

 

 

Yea, That's it basically.
some accept it as part of the Combat flying experience... some are offended.
 

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Well this is common practice in online combat flight sim (or game) since Warbirds online in 1997/98, as well all the complains about.

 

BTW - Try shooting a... parachute. :)

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Air superiority is goal number one in any war campaign.  So... we are going to destroy airbases first then move to battlefield to support ground forces.  If you think it is wrong you should join a pacifist movement or something because it is how war strategy is. So don´t care about people complaining because they were caught on the ground.

 

Parachute killing  is a crime based on Geneva convention. 

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Well I never get called noob for attacking airfields, but I do it with slow aircraft like Stuka , IL-2 , PE-2 and LAGG. It might be they know I have no chance surviving. 

ButI very seldom or intact never seen noob calls at SYN server. One of the reasons I fly there.

I need dedicated fliers to even bother to fly anywhere, noob calls against anyone make me leave

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Parachute killing  is a crime based on Geneva convention. 

Technically, it became a crime only after 1945, Soviets weren't signatories of Convention, nor were Germans treating them as signatories. We can limit our historical adherence to things that were not astrocities, though. Landing, taking off and parked planes were fair game even among signatories OTOH, it's only matter of ruining other players game with very little sense of "victory".

 

We need North African theatre for some civilised air combat...

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When reports came in from the RAF pilots of seldom occasions of witnessing  Germans shooting at parachutes.

Hugh Caswall Tremenheere Dowding Said and a Quote, Shooting at a parachute over friendly territory is a tactical wise thing to do, doing so over enemy territory is murder. The same thing happened to tank crews, they where very often slaughtered getting out of their burning tanks, it took time to train Tank crew´s.

But doing it in a game is morally wrong, you gain nothing and give a kill mark on your opponent. 

If someone do it to me, I will remember him , dislike him for as long as I play the game. Because it is simply no other reason for doing it than being a prick.

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Jumped into MP the other day for the first time in ages.

I was appalled to see how bad the Reds seemed to be at vulching  :huh:

 

Don't just hover over the actual runway, especially with the radar thing at least Syndicate has.

Make your pass and go. Do not keep turning low and slow in the AAA.

Be fast! Do not leisurely stroll there, take a few shots and then stroll out just as leisurely.

If you hover high to see when and where more targets come up, do so outside of the AAA range for goodness' sake.

Otherwise you might just as well do it with your nav lights on. It's a giant "get high behind me and kill me!" sign....

 

 

 

It's not hard. :mellow:

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yep, same experience here.

enemy Tanks or arty does not care, not move, or only slighty- trains move faster, they sting...
but when you raid the hornet's nest, you better be well prepared and fast - Radiator closed and mixture all the way to the top.
AAA will have you, and there is always, always some friedrich around. even if not, he will spawn seconds after your pass and see you on radar.

get in, drop the Bombs and fire some Shells, then run - run outside the 10 km radius (one full square!) and then hide either in clouds or trees.

and pray nobody saw you.

Servers with limited planesets and plane amounts are favorite targets for such things - bust all the fighters on the frontline base, and they will be almost naked.
Patrol the transport Plane routes, and you have a battlefield interdiction scenario.

 

for the time being and with little to no cooperation, such raids are of high risk and little value, but offer a significant kick if you manage to make it back to base.

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Parachute killing  is a crime based on Geneva convention. 

 

Hahaha!  :P

 

 
 
And conventions? In Ostfront?   :rolleyes:
 
Shoot then all!
www.MessenTools.com-Frutas-parachute.gif
 
  :hunter:
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Strafing vehicles is one thging but straffing live pilots takiong off or trying to is vulching. Vulching is for wusses IMO. What possible kind of kudos can be achieved for shooting planes as they spawn ort take off. IMO it is just as lame as camping out at spawn points in FPS. I would rather allow a guy to take off..  have a decent fight and loose than get any kind of points for vulching.

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Strafing vehicles is one thging but straffing live pilots takiong off or trying to is vulching. Vulching is for wusses IMO. What possible kind of kudos can be achieved for shooting planes as they spawn ort take off. IMO it is just as lame as camping out at spawn points in FPS. I would rather allow a guy to take off.. have a decent fight and loose than get any kind of points for vulching.

while I do not think it is a written rule in competitive chess I still think it is frowned upon to right before the beginning of the match you reach across and punch your opponent out of his chair and then stand up and declare victory.

 

Vulching in my honest opinion is basically poor sportsmanship but then again not setting up the base and general area with proper AA is a poorly designed dogfight map

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@it is not wise letting a plane take off, I never do. But I do not stay around and wait for spawners. That is vulching. killing a plane taking off while you are in vicinity is not vulching it is smart

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especially in an Il-2 or a stuka...
if you do not get him, he will get you.

common sense...

or then do not target airbases at all - and does that not take away a large part of the air war as such?

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especially in an Il-2 or a stuka... if you do not get him, he will get you. common sense...

 

I have yet to see a stuka try to strafe a soviet base and get to their target before AA blow it up. IL2 are more common. IMHO, I have no problems with ground attack aircraft shooting parked planes, its their job, the problem is that some people get into fighters and keep vulching and vulching and vulching, until their luck ran out and AA get them, and as others already said, its bad sportmanship.

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To be honest this boils down to personal preference as Strafing or vulching are akin to each other but not quite the same, IMHO. In example, If I take off from my base and fly to the enemy base and see enemy aircraft running up or taxing or even taking off, are they not fair game? Now Vulching is more akin to, as Bear stated, Spawn Camping. In other words if all a pilot does is go fly around one airbase (now I'm not talking of shuttling between several bases) then this might be considered, not cool. 

 

But strafing is a historical event which was undertook by all sides. But where we fall short is that with nearly all bases being in such a close proximity of each other, it's hard to just say no to this. Yes Flak is one way of doing it. But not a definitive answer.

 

We solved this in our RoF servers by using both flak and designating two front bases open to vulching and two rear bases off limits to straffing/vulching.

 

Chief

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I agree that vulching is not problem, but is it fun?

This is the game not war. And I play this for fun. Vulching is not fun to me. When I flying over enemy airfield, I wait until enemy complete take off. Because aircombat is more fun than vulching.

 

Anyway, I do not want talking about other people's fun, but I think, vulching is not good thing to announce on forum.

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Here's a question ..... is the bombing of an airfield vulching? Yes you have less bombs than bullets but seriously. A plane with bombs comes over and airfield and waits till they see a plane spawn, run engines or taxi and then bombs the heck out of them. Now before you try to lynch me I'm not advocating for this one way or another, I'm simply trying to look at it from all angles.

 

Chief

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Here's a question ..... is the bombing of an airfield vulching? Yes you have less bombs than bullets but seriously. A plane with bombs comes over and airfield and waits till they see a plane spawn, run engines or taxi and then bombs the heck out of them. Now before you try to lynch me I'm not advocating for this one way or another, I'm simply trying to look at it from all angles.

 

Chief

 

hmmm... English is obstacle.

 

I think, purpose of Bomber and dive bomber is bombing enemy institution include airfield. So there is no problem bombing enemy airfield by bomber, dive bomber, or fighter with bomb. Because players of that kinds of aircrafts do not except air combat in that sortie. They expect bombing! 

 

In the other hand, If the mission you take destroy enemy airfield or straffing enemy aircraft in the airfield, it is good. There is no problem, because you playing your role. It is the point of playing game!

 

This is my opinion.

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i don't really think the problem is "Vulching" its spawn camping,there is a big difference in coming across an enemy airfield doing a  strafing pass on fighters taking off,and lurking over a base waiting for players to spawn,even if they don't get you on the ground they still have a huge height advantage when it comes to a dogfight.Perhaps with more player slots you could at least organise an airfield defence staffel.

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LOL on the Topic subject......

But that should be expected when a large proportion of the people on the server had a year or so head start with the sim.

 

As to the question of: Is bombing an airfield vulching?

Without regards as to flying blue or red we at [DBS] will thoroughly enjoy bombing the crap out of the opposing sides airfield preferably with escort. At which time said escort is of course free to engage targets of opportunity.

 

S! All.

Now back to Holiday merriment.

CYA's next year.

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To be honest, all of us with at least some knowledge of flying sims basically know that vulching, spawn camping, whatever you wan't to call it is bad sport.

 

I'll bet that even someone who is new to sims that fly over airfields waiting for people spawning just to pounce on them, may not know it is called vulching, but they sure know what they are doing and know it is not in fair play, to them it is spawn camping, and that's how they get their kicks.

 

In every online game you are going to get folk like that, unless of course you are on a locked server ofc.

 

Mick. :)

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I think part of what drives this is trying to even find the enemy.  This is a game and just hoovering over an airfield until some poor sucker spawns and then shooting him before he can take off is just bad game fun.  In real war - if you could get away with it then by all means, it is war after all.  But in a game it just takes the fun out of it.  Let me get up 500 feet and then kill me.

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The other day I was flying towards a bridge (objective) with a Pe-2 loaded with two 500kg bombs. On my way there was an enemy airfield so I decided to check it out just in case.

 

I saw four planes parked and I assumed they were some of the static objects on the airfield but decided to go for them anyways.

 

After dropping the bombs i see that the MP messages are showing I killed 5 people at once (probably 4 pilots+ 1 gunner on a stuka).

 

One of the most satisfying moments so far on BOS for me. :lol:

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This discussion comes up every few months in combat flight sim forums.

 

Sportsmanship?  In war?

 

It's not a football match you know.

 

If the number of aircraft and or pilot kills counts toward the victory condition then I will take out as many as I can any way I can.

 

I won't tolerate shooting folks that have hit the silk, but an enemy pilot in his aircraft, in the sky or on the ground is fair game.

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So the day before yesterday I was lost in the Syn server and found myself over an enemy airfield and caught someone taking off.

 

I dove in keeping my 500kg bomb hoping I could get a one pass kill and succeeded with those sweet 190 cannons. I turned and dropped that 500kg bomb on a Yak lining up on the runway. I turned again for a last pass and caught two more guys with running engines.

 

4 kills in 30 seconds and I laughed and laughed. The crying started immediately. Laughed some more.

 

 

When I get killed on the runway I don't care. I get another aircraft and either spawn at another airfield farther away or hope I don't get caught again. More often than not I spawn directly under the fight and find it a thrill to take off under fire. That is exciting online play to me.

 

This is a wargame simulator, someone is going to shoot at you.

 

You had a choice to spawn farther away but didn't. If you are getting raped at every single field awesome. The server is full and it should be exciting right from the moment you spawn into a hell of a furball just over the runway.

 

 

 

 

I used to read stories of Pappy Boyington and his VMF-214 Blacksheep squadron "vulching" the Japanese. I'm not going to feel bad for you in the hardcore servers if I choose to play as realistically as possible by shooting at you every time I see you. I got a guy who cried just now in Syndicate because I shot him landing, I accidentally rammed him too...  oops. Totally noobed it.

 

 

IMO a grown man crying like some do to be shameful and pathetic. It's a game.


The other day I was flying towards a bridge (objective) with a Pe-2 loaded with two 500kg bombs. On my way there was an enemy airfield so I decided to check it out just in case.

 

I saw four planes parked and I assumed they were some of the static objects on the airfield but decided to go for them anyways.

 

After dropping the bombs i see that the MP messages are showing I killed 5 people at once (probably 4 pilots+ 1 gunner on a stuka).

 

One of the most satisfying moments so far on BOS for me. :lol:

 

 

 

Love it.

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Sportsmanship?  In war?

 

Yeah, except you're not in a war, you're playing a game. So sportsmanship does count, because everyone is playing to have fun. You want to strafe a enemy airfield ? Fine, take some bombs, make one pass, drop it, maybe one other pass with guns while returning and thats it, get out of there, but dont spawn camp like some j***s do, trashing the fun for the others.

 

Then they come with the excuse "pick an airfield further back", except that they usually forget there are some planes exclusives for one airfield (e.g: the fw190/yak1 is only possible to spawn in one airfield), so that is not an excuse, some people like to fly the 190/yak, and if people keep spawn camping they are only depriving others from having fun.

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Yeah, except you're not in a war, you're playing a game. So sportsmanship does count, because everyone is playing to have fun. You want to strafe a enemy airfield ? Fine, take some bombs, make one pass, drop it, maybe one other pass with guns while returning and thats it, get out of there, but dont spawn camp like some j***s do, trashing the fun for the others.

 

Then they come with the excuse "pick an airfield further back", except that they usually forget there are some planes exclusives for one airfield (e.g: the fw190/yak1 is only possible to spawn in one airfield), so that is not an excuse, some people like to fly the 190/yak, and if people keep spawn camping they are only depriving others from having fun.

Exactly, I think most of us can tell the difference between bombing, strafing an enemy airfield and someone spawn camping.This is after all a game and not war, in war hell yeah even I would spawn camp if I knew where the enemy kept popping out from but it isn't.

 

But whatever, they have to get there fix to go along with there Ritalin buzz I expect.

 

Mick. :)

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Ritalin buzz?

 

Hardly, I'm 61 years old, so stop the juvenile name calling.

 

If you are looking for "sport" I would suggest one of the many "stick and ball" titles sold by EA, or a racing simulator, Assetto Corsa is quite good BTW, but this is an air combat/WW2 simulator that is depicting the most brutal front

of the European part of the war.  On the Russian Front no quarter was ever asked or given. 

 

Do I spawn camp, no, but I do attack airfields, and horror!!! I actually use my guns, oh and bombs and rockets too if I have them.   Don't like it?  Put up an effective CAP over your field, like you should be doing if enemy aircraft are in the area. It's not a difficult thing to do you know, and you will have every advantage over a low flying aircraft that is concentrating on ground attack.

 

Oh, and if you are in the pattern and you think that dropping your gear, waggling your wings, or flashing your nav lights will save you, well, guess again.  You have just signaled that you are an easy mark, and just like in the real thing, an experienced pilot will go for the easy kill over the hard one, every time.

 

You don't think Hartmann got all those kills by fighting Khozedub or Pokryshkin every day do you?

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BlitzPig_EL let me ask you something: What you think would happen if a plane kept circling around an enemy airfield just to vulch their assets ? Chances are that after the first pass he would be shot in minutes, and when your life is on the stake people think twice before doing it.

 

Meanwhile, because its a game, no one gives a damn about your virtual life, and this type of b******t keeps happening. And, just because you're 61 doesnt mean you can trash the fun for the others, everyone is here to play and have fun with others, having that atittute will obtain you nothing. Also, I'm pretty sure almost all kills of Hartmann were on air to air victories, he didnt keep circling around enemy airfields waiting someone to pop up in the parked zone.

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Strafing vehicles is one thging but straffing live pilots takiong off or trying to is vulching. Vulching is for wusses IMO. What possible kind of kudos can be achieved for shooting planes as they spawn ort take off. IMO it is just as lame as camping out at spawn points in FPS. I would rather allow a guy to take off..  have a decent fight and loose than get any kind of points for vulching.

On a dogfight server, yeah you'd have a point. For air-quake servers it'd be utterly against the whole idea of the server to kill folks while or before the they take off.

 

 

Now if we're talking about an objective based server, vulching is central to keeping air superiority.

Justified and necessary, given that we as players can't die for good. 

Even more so when certain planes are limited, be it in total or at that specific A/F.

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It is a lot of frustration going on, I sometimes go in a lag with my 37 mm cannon and rockets. I go for ground targets but first I patrol out´side radar cover around the locked airfield to see if there comes a Heinkel for supplying it. 

This is in many ways camping, but it is also tactical wise, stay too long you will get  a109 in your ass. 

I like to see more teamwork, I like to see more responding in covering ground attacks and such.

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Well i will gladly keep trashing the "Fun" for others and will endure other people's Vulching.

This is a war game, and great assets are at work to bring the experience from back then to our home PC's.

 

Next thing you see is a ton of female-dogging about the 109 above 5k because then they have an advantage and ruin the Fun for the Klimov-equipped Parties.

 

Stepping inside one of these Virtual Cockpits should have you sign a paper saying: i am a grown man with a high frustration limit and thick skin.

Because that high Frustration limit has been needed for as long as the CFS genre existed, and then some...

a thread like this will not change that.

Is this Minecraft?

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On a dogfight server, yeah you'd have a point. For air-quake servers it'd be utterly against the whole idea of the server to kill folks while or before the they take off.

 

 

Now if we're talking about an objective based server, vulching is central to keeping air superiority.

Justified and necessary, given that we as players can't die for good. 

Even more so when certain planes are limited, be it in total or at that specific A/F.

 

this also followed by scripting to allow the base to be taken over by the attackers if X amount of it is destroyed and Y amount of planes are destroyed.

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I agree with targets of opportunity. I also agree that it isn't cool or historically accurate to circle an airfield waiting for a helpless target to spawn on the ground.

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Yeah, except you're not in a war, you're playing a game. So sportsmanship does count, because everyone is playing to have fun. You want to strafe a enemy airfield ? Fine, take some bombs, make one pass, drop it, maybe one other pass with guns while returning and thats it, get out of there, but dont spawn camp like some j***s do, trashing the fun for the others.

 

Then they come with the excuse "pick an airfield further back", except that they usually forget there are some planes exclusives for one airfield (e.g: the fw190/yak1 is only possible to spawn in one airfield), so that is not an excuse, some people like to fly the 190/yak, and if people keep spawn camping they are only depriving others from having fun.

 

 

 

Not playing for your "fun" if I'm on the enemy team. I'm playing to win the round. If your forward fields have the best aircraft I'm going to camp them to scrap every one that spawns as long as I can get away with it. I do Jabbo runs and I take the bombers to cap and supply those better aircraft. I'm one of the few that seems to do that. I play the objective and that means you're gettin base raped.

 

Perhaps single player is for you.

 

 

 

 

EDIT///

 

 

Right now I'm tabbed out of the Syndicate server. Just got base raped.

 

No worries I just grabbed another aircraft farther away and I was man enough to not say one tear filled word about it.

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I agree with targets of opportunity. I also agree that it isn't cool or historically accurate to circle an airfield waiting for a helpless target to spawn on the ground.

 

 

 

We don't spawn in real life out of thin air but historical events say you are dead wrong.

 

 

 

The Black Sheep Squadron:

During that summer, with American forces requiring more squadrons, Boyington found that there were many pilots and aircraft dispersed around region not being utilized. Pulling these resources together, he worked to form what would ultimately be designated VMF-214. Consisting of a mix of green pilots, replacements, casuals, and experienced veterans, the squadron initially lacked support personnel and possessed damaged or distressed aircraft. As many of the squadron's pilots had previously been unattached, they first wished to be called "Boyington's Bastards," but changed to "Black Sheep" for press purposes.

Flying the Chance Vought F4U Corsair, VMF-214 first operated from bases in the Russell Islands. At age 31, Boyington was nearly a decade older than most of his pilots and earned the nicknames "Gramps" and "Pappy." Flying their first combat mission on September 14, the pilots of VMF-214 quickly began accumulating kills. Among those adding to their tally was Boyington who downed 14 Japanese planes a 32-day span, including five on September 19. Quickly becoming known for their flamboyant style and daring, the squadron conducted a bold raid on the Japanese airfield at Kahili, Bougainville on October 17.

Home to 60 Japanese aircraft, Boyington circled the base with 24 Corsairs daring the enemy to send up fighters. In the resulting battle, VMF-214 downed 20 enemy aircraft while sustaining no losses. Through the fall, Boyington's kill total continued to increase until he reached 25 on December 27, one short of Eddie Rickenbacker's American record. On January 3, 1944, Boyington led a 48-plane force on a sweep over the Japanese base at Rabaul. As the fighting began, Boyington was seen downing his 26th kill but then became lost in the melee and was not seen again. Though considered killed or missing by his squadron, Boyington had been able to ditch his damaged aircraft. Landing in the water he was rescued by a Japanese submarine and taken prisoner.

 

 

Source.

 

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/naval/p/World-War-Ii-Colonel-Gregory-Pappy-Boyington.htm

 

 

 

 

Just one example in a short search.

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