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I'm planning to get the FW 190 and wonder how's the flight characteristics in terms of historical modeling? Is it anywhere near like a real FW 190 now as I've heard that the plane was not that good before.

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Yes, it is somewhere near a real Fw 190. But if you are looking for "spot on in every way", then it is not.

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It's a very good plane, I like it.

 

You will never find a plane modeled 100% in any sim with today's computer power, not even the best of the aviation trainers that cost millions of dollars that use multiple computing systems in parallel and focus on the flight modeling/avionics and still using basic graphics can model the one plane they are designed for 100%.

 

Close is all you're going to be getting, and it's close.

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Didn't expect to it be 100% modeled, but it sounds decent enough and definitely worth it. Guess I'll have this new plane for my X-mas :D

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I meant to say that as a general statement, not intended to be derogatory or anything of that nature towards you.

 

I will say there is something unique to the aircraft with the adjustable horizontal stabilizers, that I'm sure you've experienced with the 109, and that they are less stable than aircraft without adjustable horizontal stabilizers in the pitch flight vector. And losing half of the horizontal stab makes it even worse, but somehow also more maneuverable. I lost half my horiz stab in the 190 tonight, and any drastic elevator movements caused controlled flight departure but it was ridiculous because I could actually turn tighter with half my tail gone. It was almost like I gained 3 times the elevator input and lost all horizontal stabilization. The 109 behaves the same, not as extreme, when half the tail is gone. Certainly something up there, and hopefully the cause can be identified and rectified.

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[if you're going to be new to the BoS 190, don't forget, you need to assign keystrokes for the stabilizer trim (I use the same keys as I use for normal elevator trim! But you've still got to set them) and the tailwheel lock is activated by pulling the stick fully back.]

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I love this plane and I don't regret the purchase...

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Only personal voice: Fw-190A3 is the best german fighter in BoS in this time. FM is very close to real plane, and fire power is scary - for any enemy planes. 

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DCS has simmilar problems as BoS.In DCS devs have to teach their prop driven crafts that they are no longer jets and in BoS devs need to teach their crafts that they are not dreideckers anymore.So simple ;)

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Didn't expect to it be 100% modeled, but it sounds decent enough and definitely worth it. Guess I'll have this new plane for my X-mas :D

 

It's a pretty decent representation overall but does require you to fly in a certain manner if you want to be successful with it. I don't think you'll regret getting it though and it's an enjoyable plane to fly. I'd point out a couple of things though. For some reason the FW190 seems to suffer more than other planes with high speed elevator authority. I think what they implemented for the FW190 is actually plausible but other planes oddly don't exhibit the same quality. If anything I think the FW190 behaviour should be extended to other planes. The worst thing about the FW190 is the pit though. You're forced between having to choose between seeing the gunsight clearly and having a chunk of your view of a couple of important instruments semi-blocked or you can see the instruments clearly and not see the gunsight. I really doubt that Tank designed the pilot view to be like this. 

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compared to the other planes it's still a little bit underperforming - all the other planes have a boost because of the cold air, the 190 doesn't, it is close to it's historical test performance (20°C). But it's not to bad,if you just imagine for yourself you got the "bad apple" from the production line, it doesn't take away the immersion. I like it most from all planes, but you have to fly it properly and disciplined.

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How accurate the flight characteristics of the BoS 190 really are is anyone's guess.  All one can say is that it's probably at least as good and possibly a bit better than the various other attempts that have been made at recreating one.  The biggest problem is the forward view through the armoured glass and around the cockpit framing.  Unfortunately, this has not been done well and as a consequence, it is reasonably easy to lose track of an enemy aircraft when engaged in close combat.  It would be nice if this could be fixed at some point but I suspect that's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

 

However, a couple of issues notwithstanding, the Bos190 can be a very capable machine in-game, however, as other's have noted, it must be flown a little differently to the 109 if you want to succeed with it.  And remember, rapid changes in direction are best achieved by rolling the aircraft rather than using your elevators.  Good luck.

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The worst thing about the FW190 is the pit though. You're forced between having to choose between seeing the gunsight clearly and having a chunk of your view of a couple of important instruments semi-blocked or you can see the instruments clearly and not see the gunsight. I really doubt that Tank designed the pilot view to be like this. 

 

 

The biggest problem is the forward view through the armoured glass and around the cockpit framing.  Unfortunately, this has not been done well and as a consequence, it is reasonably easy to lose track of an enemy aircraft when engaged in close combat.  It would be nice if this could be fixed at some point but I suspect that's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

 

i have no problem with these issues. You just have to fiddle with your trackIR a little bit. You have to make the X,W and Z direction more sensitive, than that's no problem at all. I never lose track of an enemy, and it does only require a little cringing (around 5 cm) bitween switching from intrument view to gunsight view. I think IRL you had to move your head a lot more in this plane

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Is it realistic? We don't know. There are hardly any left flying with the original engines and most reports are subjective in its assessment. 
But from the data we have, it seems pretty spot-on.

 

I've been flying nothing but the 190 the past two weeks and am loving it! It requires a certain flying style, but once you know the plane well, you won't want to use any other. It's speed and roll-rate are just wonderful!

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If you want to learn the best tactics then get the FW190. It will teach you the value of energy and firepower like no other plane ever will.

 

If you don't like heavy investment with a high payoff in an aircraft then stick with a 109 or Yak.

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I like the FW 190 it seems quite accurate for a sim, Wasn't called the Butcher Bird for nothing when it first tuned up facing off to early spitfires.

 

The La5 is IMO a faster but no more manoeuvrable in pitch especially than the La3 but I still bought so I could try. 

 

The La7 fn is a big improvement though,.....but not around until 44 so misses BOS for now.....Here's  hope for future planes.  :wacko: 

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Wicked plane, takes a different mind set, but once u get used to the sensitive controls it's really second to none. I think of it like what it would be like to drive a really powerful sports car, if u get it wrong it will kill u no questions asked at the drop of a hat, but if u are one with it and treat it with respect the sweet spot is second to none

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The 190 sadly is outclassed by the 109 f4 in almost every aspect. An exception is divespeed. And firepower - that can even be topped with gunpods in the 109 while still outperforming it. (only 2 20mm cannons attached). If you put on 4 its even worse outclassed and can be catched much more easily. The energyretention is pure crap. Do a dive from 4k to 2k height and pull back up in. 190 and 109 and youll end up like 500m higher in the 109.

id love to fly her myself because i love the design and the firepower but imho its just a deathtrap if flown solo. If you fly in a rotte and got a wingman that can shoot your six -wich you will undoubtedly catch fyling this bird - then you might survive.

Also its nice for groundpounding. But only with fighter escort. I think this plane is seriously undermodeled. But thats just my subjective opinion.

 

Edit. Oh and here is my recommendation: buy it -if only it is to learn to hate its underperformance OR to support the ongoing development of hopefully better modelled 190 variants in the future.

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109 F4 is Sweet and was described as the best  to fly of the 109 series and is sweet in this game too.

Later 109,s though better armed were not as good flying machines so pilots say.

Fw190 is IMO 1of the best looking German fighters though.

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The energyretention is pure crap. Do a dive from 4k to 2k height and pull back up in. 190 and 109 and youll end up like 500m higher in the 109.

id love to fly her myself because i love the design and the firepower but imho its just a deathtrap if flown solo. If you fly in a rotte and got a wingman that can shoot your six -wich you will undoubtedly catch fyling this bird - then you might survive.

 

The 109 is a cleaner aircraft than the 190. It also runs with its radiator flaps mostly closed due to the cold air. That dive/climb test really doesn't say much with regards to energy retention other than the 109 (which model? What throttle settings?) could keep holding on 500 meters more but still doesn't mean the 190 doesn't retain energy well. The 190 is a plane that has always worked best with a wingman, it wasn't a solo fighter. It still works just fine solo, it just requires paying attention. It was never a turn fighter, so you mess up and start turning that's it. The 109 has slats that allow it to turn at lower speeds and thusly is able to keep holding on where other aircraft stall/spin. So it is of no surprise the 109 would pull more towards it because it is an easier plane to fly and more forgiving with mistakes. The 190 isn't undermodelled, it performs how it should. It was no uber plane, but it performs well in its flight envelope - it just requires full mastery of it, and very good knowledge of the opponents its up against if you want to go solo. Take the Russian aircraft up for a spin sometime, try them out, that'll help you understand the 190's strengths.

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I can and have to live with how things are anyway. So no point in discussing. ROF back in the day those discussions made me enough grey hair. I dont want to get any more due to this:). So yes and whatever - the 190 is fine as is. Buy it!:)

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In short, buy it. She is an excellent aircraft when flown to her strengths. Do otherwise and suffer accordingly. I find solo success with her in normal and expert servers. Any aircraft is better served by a wingman, of course.

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[if you're going to be new to the BoS 190, don't forget, you need to assign keystrokes for the stabilizer trim (I use the same keys as I use for normal elevator trim! But you've still got to set them) and the tailwheel lock is activated by pulling the stick fully back.]

 

Nº 601_Swallow, I dont fly it very often, but I have never used the stabilizer trim; what is it for' and How may I use iT?

 

Thanks in advance.

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Nº 601_Swallow, I dont fly it very often, but I have never used the stabilizer trim; what is it for' and How may I use iT?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

By default on the Fw 190 (and maybe some others planes), the stabilizer is fixed to -66 (dunno why, but heh...), if you keep it at -66, you'll never be able to get out of a high speed dive, never.

 

To adjust it, go in your controls and set a key to "Fw 190 stabilizer up" and "Fw 190 stabilizer down" or something like that.

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Thank you. I suppose you can change it while flying... no?

 

Yes of course.

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But don't you guys notice that it's like a dog at high speed.  it totaly has no high speed handling advantage compare with Bf109 :( . IMO, it 's the most advantage of it in real life in eastern front.

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But don't you guys notice that it's like a dog at high speed. it totaly has no high speed handling advantage compare with Bf109 :( . IMO, it 's the most advantage of it in real life in eastern front.

Yes it is like you wrote :/

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But don't you guys notice that it's like a dog at high speed.  it totaly has no high speed handling advantage compare with Bf109 :( . IMO, it 's the most advantage of it in real life in eastern front.

 

Sorry, but I must disagree. I find the 190 very capable at high speeds, you need to trim it properly and use the combat/take off flaps, but what everyone forget is that the advantage was how light the airlerons were, not the elevator. I mostly fly alone and I find great sucess with the 190, but it needs to be flown on its specific way, its sure no way a dogfighter bird, its a butcher bird! You ambush your prey, you come in fast, shoot it down with your 4 cannos and comes out fast! Always have altitute to work with, a low and slow 190 is a dead 190. This means its a pure Boom and Zoom plane, fly it according to that you all see the joys of flying a 190! Good luck, cheers!  :salute:

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It has the highest Vne of all aircrafts ingame and can level out of any dive due to the stabilizer. It's a very important factor on it so keep it bind to your Joystick for easy acess.

 

Remember the roll rate advantage is fairly smalll against Lagg-3s/La-5s due to current FM state so it's not totally supreme in this regard. It still has better topspeed than both.

 

Apart from that speed and alt* is your only live ensurance. Unlike the 109 the 190 isn't a great 2 vs 1 dealer and you should carefully watch your enemies knowing when it's time to run and fight another day.

 

*unless you're flying at critical supercharger alts

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Sorry, but I must disagree. I find the 190 very capable at high speeds, you need to trim it properly and use the combat/take off flaps, but what everyone forget is that the advantage was how light the airlerons were, not the elevator. I mostly fly alone and I find great sucess with the 190, but it needs to be flown on its specific way, its sure no way a dogfighter bird, its a butcher bird! You ambush your prey, you come in fast, shoot it down with your 4 cannos and comes out fast! Always have altitute to work with, a low and slow 190 is a dead 190. This means its a pure Boom and Zoom plane, fly it according to that you all see the joys of flying a 190! Good luck, cheers!  :salute:

Your tactic sounds perfect, but it can only be applied when enemy is not aware of your presence. You cannot adjust your nose quick enough to get a gun solution by you called trim tactic at high speed if enemy does minor evade maneuver.

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Fw is best in the ambush or with a wingman who can force the enemy to fight in more than one direction at once and eventually lose his SA and his E. Then he is a sitting duck. And yes, the stab trim must be used to recover from a critical speed dive.

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Boom and Zoom plan

 

Yes a BnZ plane that cannot zoom:P thats what she is:P

She is good for groundattacks and beating ILs. Nothing more. Shes dead meat if not covered by 109s.

Every plane can be flown to success in a rotte. But if you compare the sheer performance in levelflight, maneuverability and climbrate (wich imo are the most important ones for a fighter) it cannot compete to either 109, YAK-1 or LA5.

 

EDIT: even pilotskill, co alt and E duelsituation - The 190 looses against YAK-1 and LA5.

Fw is best in the ambush or with a wingman who can force the enemy to fight in more than one direction at once and eventually lose his SA and his E. Then he is a sitting duck. And yes, the stab trim must be used to recover from a critical speed dive.

No matter the plane. 2 on one is always the desired situation:)

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The 190 still loses easily against yaks with even lower energy level. Thats an issue of the yak FM allowing it to preserve energy way better at high AoAs.

 

Hopefully future updates will fix this so the 190 can realisticly face all VVS fighters with proper BnZ tactics.

 

It works quite well against Lavotchkins from my expirience, which convinces me it's more of a Yak FM issue.

 

Even in 109s it's difficult to shake those off in climbs so dont expect to outclimb yaks with your 190.

If one is climbinafter level out and run or face it in a scissor fight.

 

All in all the 190 is well modeled in my opinion (apart from some FM flaws that require fixing) but the envirounment is lacking.

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I find really weird that a plane (Fw 190A here) which has the best elevator authority at ~530km/h (and this is the case ingame) becomes a pork once reached 600km/h... but heh, unfortunately i'm not expert.

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The 190 still loses easily against yaks with even lower energy level. Thats an issue of the yak FM allowing it to preserve energy way better at high AoAs.

 

Hopefully future updates will fix this so the 190 can realisticly face all VVS fighters with proper BnZ tactics.

 

It works quite well against Lavotchkins from my expirience, which convinces me it's more of a Yak FM issue.

 

Even in 109s it's difficult to shake those off in climbs so dont expect to outclimb yaks with your 190.

If one is climbinafter level out and run or face it in a scissor fight.

 

All in all the 190 is well modeled in my opinion (apart from some FM flaws that require fixing) but the envirounment is lacking.

I don't agree with your climbing tactic. I am rarely caught from behind by a Yak and unless I am carrying all four 20mm guns can always out climb them in a sustained climb from Co E. (Pitch for 325 kph and full throttle between 1300-2300 k altitude). If I have a slight energy advantage I can usually out climb them even with a full load out - still pitching for 325.

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Yes a BnZ plane that cannot zoom:P thats what she is:P She is good for groundattacks and beating ILs. Nothing more. Shes dead meat if not covered by 109s.

 

Then you're using the 190 wrong. I mostly play solo and I find much sucess with it, but it must be flown accordingly, its no easy mode like the 109. You need to be gentle, plan ahead, always have some altitute to spare and most of all, stay fast, never below 300km/h. 

 

IMHO, the 190 is a much more fun plane to fly than the 109, at least for me.

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I don't agree with your climbing tactic. I am rarely caught from behind by a Yak and unless I am carrying all four 20mm guns can always out climb them in a sustained climb from Co E. (Pitch for 325 kph and full throttle between 1300-2300 k altitude). If I have a slight energy advantage I can usually out climb them even with a full load out - still pitching for 325.

 

Same experience here. It is a difficult plane that does not forgive ill suited choices - choices that go well with more forgiving planes as the 109 or the yak and choices that are not meant for the 190. The 190 is a darn heavy airplane and you have to fly it with this in mind. The Yak and the 109 are light weights compared to it why they climb easier in steep mode.

 

And I re-iterate what I have said in a similar thread: If you fly her the way she wants to be flown (so with more forward thinking and much more prudence) she will reward you with kills without putting you in a dangerous situation. I not so rarely go out with her on normal servers (so no advantage of kommandogerät over Russian fighters) and come home with 6 kills and still some ammo to spend. Of course, as I am not a brilliant pilot I also get shot down in a 190 or with no kills at all. But that's mostly me getting impatient or imprudent.

 

In a Yak at best I can hope for killing 3 per flight and I cannot run away from any fight which makes me end up damaged or killed on much higher ratio.

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