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The less lone-wolves the better to be honest. It's both boring from a gameplay point of view (for those encountering them) and unrealistic.

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The less lone-wolves the better to be honest. It's both boring from a gameplay point of view (for those encountering them) and unrealistic.

 

Imperator,

Yes, I tend to agree with you, even though I spent years as a lone wolfer in ROF, one is better off in at least a Section than acting as a singleton, especially if one is using a plane that cannot out climb, out dive, or out run rival machines. Even using a Yak-1b will not allow one, as a singleton, to easily overcome such deficits. The Yak-1b would just be the best possible VVS lone wolf fighter/ free hunter fighter for the time period. I think that it makes sense to add a machine, on the VVS side, that will best advantage lone wolfers, though not cure many important, and realistic, disadvantages that lone wolfers can only reasonably expect to deal with through tactics and teamwork. Lone wolfers should certainly give tactis and teamwork a try, for sure. Certainly, the more I get to play IL2 BOS with other members of the 69 GIAP the better the Il2 BOS experience will be for me.

:salute: MJ

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Not everyone has time to  play with a squadron :/ I am already  in a tight schedule. I have to play Eve Online, Black Shark 2,  Airland Battle, War of the Roses, Finish skyrim for the 4th time, World of tanks,  Xenonauts, Europa Universalis 4,

 

 

 how can you expect me to  have time to get a squadron? :P

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About the Yak discussion, just 2 points I believe we should take into account.

 

First, we should not mix all Yaks, -1 / 7 / 9 / 3 in the same basket. There were 2 different lines of planes with different structures and purposes:

- Series Yak-1 / 1M  (official name of our -1B) and -3 family of, lightweight planes, short ranged, very agile, slighty less armed.

- Series Yak-7A (originally an advanced trainer) / -7B / -9 (and all her subvariants), heavier, more range (-9Dx versions aimed to long range escort), less agile, more polivalent, and with heavier weapons. Yak-9B were even armed with vertically stored FAB bombs (not very succesful), and heavy antitank guns (37 and 45 mm), all dedicated to close support.

 

Yak 1 / 1M and 7A / 7B were fighters of 1941/42 years and Yak-3 and Yak-9 being their succesors at 1943/45

 

Second point, according to the memoirs of IL-2 and Yak pilots, Yak-1 was the more suitable plane to escort Il-2 to combat, because of their flight performances. Much better than others, even La-5/5F/5FN, who were more dedicated to Free Hunt missions.

 

Perhaps Mr Bersk can confirm better than me these points.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

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Not everyone has time to  play with a squadron :/ I am already  in a tight schedule. I have to play Eve Online, Black Shark 2,  Airland Battle, War of the Roses, Finish skyrim for the 4th time, World of tanks,  Xenonauts, Europa Universalis 4,

 

 

 how can you expect me to  have time to get a squadron? :P

 

How can you play Black Shark 2,  Airland Battle, War of the Roses, Finish skyrim for the 4th time, World of tanks,  Xenonauts, Europa Universalis 4?

 

Isn't Eve Online absorbing your entire life?  :P

 

No really: I hope there will be less lone wolves.

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How can you play Black Shark 2,  Airland Battle, War of the Roses, Finish skyrim for the 4th time, World of tanks,  Xenonauts, Europa Universalis 4?

 

Isn't Eve Online absorbing your entire life?  :P

 

No really: I hope there will be less lone wolves.

 

 

My corp is failcascading  currently.. that   leaves me with some time :P

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Safe way to lose a Yak from your tail before late war models: dive and their wings rip loose :) Several accounts on Finns fighting VVS and disengaging by steep dive and seeing Yaks lose wings and lawn dart :) But would never turn fight Yaks, their turf that :)

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Safe way to lose a Yak from your tail before late war models: dive and their wings rip loose :) Several accounts on Finns fighting VVS and disengaging by steep dive and seeing Yaks lose wings and lawn dart :) But would never turn fight Yaks, their turf that :)

I bet. When it comes to the Axis fighter rides in IL2 BOS, in the absence of some means of arcing one of the three Axis fighter rides, a VVS machine is best off not attempting to follow a rival into a dive. When it comes to climb, dive, and forward speed, even the Yak-1b would only be able to close some of the relative deficiencies, particularly in climb, but not eliminate the deficiencies. One thing should be pretty clear, the ability to engage and disengage at will is a luxury of the IL2 BOS Axis sim fighter pilots, not the IL2 BOS VVS fighter pilots. Well, what can I do?  :unsure:  It is what it is...  ;)

 

:salute: MJ

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I wouldn't be so sure that you cannot extend from the fight. In original Il-2, while the LaGG-3 series 4 is generally slower and far worse climbing, it can still outrun a 109F in a shallow dive. Essentially, because it is heavier. Same goes for some P-47 vs. 109, or Fw 190 vs. Spitfire, and more.

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Considering the planeset, gameplay balancing is going to be one of the larger difficulties.  Based upon Il-2 experience (and recognizing they'll be some flight-model differences in BOS), the German fighters are generally better than the original Soviet ones.  

 

That doesn't mean it will be an unfair fight, however.  In at least half of all online/offline kills, relative advantage of one aircraft over another is NOT the reason for the kill; instead, pilot skill, surprise, etc. play more important roles.  In addition, based upon Warbirds of Prey experience, mission-builders can design missions in ways that can aid in the balancing process (limiting certain aircraft, etc.).  

 

I like to fly Soviet aircraft, and it's going to be a challenge.   There are situations where (as it was in real life in large part at that time/place!!!) it will be difficult to be survive as a Soviet pilot.  Absent some luck, and/or teammate help, it will be hard to run away in many cases.  I got a taste of some of that over the weekend.   To get in the BOS mood, I decided to fly a Il-2 single-player campaign for the Soviets, starting at Stalingrad with a Yak-1 (using the CampaignDifficulty=Hard, CampaignMissions=Hard, CampaignAI=Hard, and CampaignLength=VeryLong settings in conf.ini); I considered it a major success to survive more than a handful of missions since those darn Ace AI Bf-109s would kill all my flight-mates and then proceed to chase down my poor Yak almost every time (even if I had a big head-start home).

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My corp is failcascading  currently.. that   leaves me with some time :P

 

I self destructed all my eve stuff. I hate MMOs they just absorb too much of RL :D

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I bet. When it comes to the Axis fighter rides in IL2 BOS, in the absence of some means of arcing one of the three Axis fighter rides, a VVS machine is best off not attempting to follow a rival into a dive. When it comes to climb, dive, and forward speed, even the Yak-1b would only be able to close some of the relative deficiencies, particularly in climb, but not eliminate the deficiencies. One thing should be pretty clear, the ability to engage and disengage at will is a luxury of the IL2 BOS Axis sim fighter pilots, not the IL2 BOS VVS fighter pilots. Well, what can I do?  :unsure:  It is what it is...  ;)

 

:salute: MJ

 

Surely if we get the Yak 1 with the M-105PF it wont be that bad? Slightly inferior climb speed but better turn rate. Seems a decent match up to me.

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Not near my sources, but just gotten curious about it: what's the maximum sustained power output of a M-105PF engine, and how reliable was it historically?

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Surely if we get the Yak 1 with the M-105PF it wont be that bad? Slightly inferior climb speed but better turn rate. Seems a decent match up to me.

You mena online or offline? BEcause online the climb rate and speed are supreme because virtual pilots usually are more adept to usign those advantages than AI.

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From what I've read the Yak performs better than the 109F above 2500-3000m and it turns better. The G2 should be more of a challenge and the FW won't climb as well as the 109 so again it can be vulnerable.

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Fw 190   trick is not climbing.. its climbing  at over 370km/h  At that speed it could  (even in il2 1946)  outclimb a spit 9. And if the puruser  decides to  outclimb him,  it will stay behind   due to speed difference.

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In the perfect world of course just like the 109 shouldn't get shot down by an aircraft that cannot climb at the same rate, but this wasn't the case in IL2, CLOD or the real world. Pilots make mistakes or are drawn in to a trap and get shot down.

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From what I've read the Yak performs better than the 109F above 2500-3000m and it turns better. The G2 should be more of a challenge and the FW won't climb as well as the 109 so again it can be vulnerable.

I'm not sure if allied forces (including VVS) ever captured the undamaged 109F-4. All comparisons and performance evaluations I've seen were based on F1-/F-2 subversions. In example RAF made its evaluation of F-4 based on F-2 performance modified according to the changes they knew about F-4 and how they expected these changes influence the performance.

 

But still the statement is too much generalized. The Russian comparison between Yak-1 and Bf109F never mentioned the exact versions. At least what I know. That of course doesn't mean I could missed something (I'm far to consider myself as know everything). The comparison of early Yak-1 with late production Bf 109F-4 would be totally different than Yak-1b vs Bf 109F-1 (the other extreme) comparison.

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From what I've read the Yak performs better than the 109F above 2500-3000m and it turns better. The G2 should be more of a challenge ..............

well, will propablydepend if 777 will give its G-2 the limited power of the DB605 of this time, meaning WEP ( Start-/Nottleistung) was forbidden from late 1942 till at least late 1943 .

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It's hard to say of course but I believe that G-2 will be modeled with 1.3ata/2600rpm. With almost 670km/h at 7 000m it would be good enough. There is no need to get even higher performance with 1.42/2800. Anyway, this is the Yak-9 discussion :)

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In the perfect world of course just like the 109 shouldn't get shot down by an aircraft that cannot climb at the same rate, but this wasn't the case in IL2, CLOD or the real world. Pilots make mistakes or are drawn in to a trap and get shot down.

 

 

that is why on my previous post I asked if you meant  online or offline. On online there is a much larger density per  battlefield  of experienced  piltos than in RL. Most pilots in RL durign war had LESS tactics experience than the virtual pilots that  flew 2 thousand sorties   and died 300 times to learn what they should not do :)

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I just hope the Russian fighters will be modelled accurately, as historically as possible, even if this does mean hard time for the VVS.

 

This battle, I want to play Red side :soldier: , be shot down facing superior aircraft, but also i want to shoot down Blue pilots without having to hear them cry "overmodelled", "cheat", "wrong planeset", etc.

 

I have great confidence that 1CGS team is going to give us just that. :) Anyway I'm sure all the good pilots that really play for the challenge will join the underdog side (red or blue) , so the situation will not be desesperate! Given the low ammo of the yaks and its average performance, it is really possible that we will experience a lot of solidarity among Yak pilots: and this is going to be great online!

 

As for Yaks i also think the Yak7 is what we really need, before we start to talk about Yak9, and Yak1B.

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I hope the servers allow for assymetrical teams. THat measn  15 LW vs 25 VVS..  otherwise  it will be hard to keep it balanced and interesting.

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Hope the .50 cals won't be under modeled in this game either.

 

Very very old joke that only leadspitter could answer. lolllll

 

:P  :lol:

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In the perfect world of course just like the 109 shouldn't get shot down by an aircraft that cannot climb at the same rate, but this wasn't the case in IL2, CLOD or the real world. Pilots make mistakes or are drawn in to a trap and get shot down.

 

In IL-2 I could never be on equal ground with a 109 vs my YAK-1,1b or 7 no matter how I tried in a coop.Only if I flew under 1500m meters could I have a little chance

on at least getting on its tail and the lower the better in the fight.It out climbed me was much faster and really outgunned my poor old YAK.

 

Can't wait to see if they will keep the historical plane to plane ratio numbers correct in the battles. 

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Not everyone has time to  play with a squadron :/

Not being a lone-wolf doesn't mean that you have to be in a squadron.

 

Just fly with together with some other guys which are also on the server, of course using TS helps alot. I never understood why people always saw the need to fly on their own just because they are not squadron members, only to get overwhelmed and shot down in seconds, even if they could easily formed up with someone.

 

Regarding the historical planeset and its effects on "balance" in MP, let's not ignore the non-fighters. I think the Ju-87 falls behind in that area compared to the Soviet attack planes. And the He-111 is a very big target. I think the Il-2 and Pe-2 will be quite popular in MP, atleast on servers which feature ground-targets.

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Lone wolfing is about not having responsibilities towards other players. It's much easier to let a stupid teammate get shot down if you just happen to be nearby instead of having teamed up with him.

 

Yak-1b / Yak-9 vs. 109G-6 used to be pretty balanced scenario in Il-2:1946. I don't think Yak-1 vs. 109F-4 or G-2 will be as even, but it won't be hopeless either.

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 For the Fall, my first ride will be the LaGG-3. When it comes to dealing with the BF-109, the LaGG-3 seems to be about the three T's: Tactics, teamwork, and teamspeak. By the time the Yak-1 razorback with the Klimov M-105PF comes out, i will probably consider that Yak-1 the best thing since sliced bread. :) Still, it will be interesting to see if the United Team intends to include planes like the Yak-1b, Yak-7b, or the Yak-9, as future add-ons. I hope to see the Yak-1b sometime soon. I would hate to find out that I am going to wait years for the Yak-1b, or never get a Yak-1b, after the FW 190 was fast tracked into the lineup. The Yak-1b belongs in this line up more so than the FW 190, in my opinion, and we will not have to wait years for the FW 190. If it were not for the big fandom of the Axis (and the FW-190, specifically) in this community, I highly doubt the team would have even considered making the FW-190, at all. The big issue will really come down to whether there is enough Global community interest in rides like the Yak-1b, the Yak- 7b, or the Yak-9, as there was interest in the FW- 190. So long as there is sufficient customer interest in such rides, in at least parts of the Global community, I think we will see them in game, otherwise we will not see these rides in IL2 BOS, sadly.

 

:salute: MJ

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Lone wolfing is about not having responsibilities towards other players. It's much easier to let a stupid teammate get shot down if you just happen to be nearby instead of having teamed up with him.Yak-1b / Yak-9 vs. 109G-6 used to be pretty balanced scenario in Il-2:1946. I don't think Yak-1 vs. 109F-4 or G-2 will be as even, but it won't be hopeless either.

i hope 777 will not 'use' Oleg's G-6 as a reference if theywill ever include one in their series :D

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 For the Fall, my first ride will be the LaGG-3. When it comes to dealing with the BF-109, the LaGG-3 seems to be about the three T's: Tactics, teamwork, and teamspeak. By the time the Yak-1 razorback with the Klimov M-105PF comes out, i will probably consider that Yak-1 the best thing since sliced bread. :) Still, it will be interesting to see if the United Team intends to include planes like the Yak-1b, Yak-7b, or the Yak-9, as future add-ons. I hope to see the Yak-1b sometime soon. I would hate to find out that I am going to wait years for the Yak-1b, or never get a Yak-1b, after the FW 190 was fast tracked into the lineup. The Yak-1b belongs in this line up more so than the FW 190, in my opinion, and we will not have to wait years for the FW 190. If it were not for the big fandom of the Axis in this community, I highly doubt the team would have even considered making the FW-190, at all. The big issue will really come down to whether there is enough Global community interest in rides like the Yak-1b, the Yak- 7b, or the Yak-9, as there was interest in the FW- 190. So long as there is sufficient customer interest in such rides in at least parts of the Global community I think we will see them in game, otherwise we will not see these rides in IL2 BOS.

 

:salute: MJ

 

I'm sure we will get a map for 1943 to put the La5 & FW-190 to use, if that happens it would be inconceivable not to have the Yak 1b, 7b and Yak 9.

 

Not that I know anything about such things but I imagine that as there are so many similarities between the Yak 1 and those other aircraft it would probably not take as long to build them :)

 

I hope to see IL2 return to it's roots for a while, I would be sad if we skipped on to a totally different theater before the eastern front was complete. I have fond memories of seeing Yaks in my gun sights, just seeing the shape of it makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

 

If they do turn out to be the underdog I might switch sides and fly VVS instead. I've had 12 years of flying the 109 and 190, maybe it's time for a change :D

i hope 777 will not 'use' Oleg's G-6 as a reference if theywill ever include one in their series :D

 

Ha ha wasn't it the G6 early that was the total dog? The late one (not the A/S) was ok if I remember correctly. I loved the G2 and F4 but the late war stuff didn't do anything for me. i think when everyone goes for the most powerful aircraft they use that power to iron out poor piloting a little, or at least they don't need to think so tactically.

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I'm sure we will get a map for 1943 to put the La5 & FW-190 to use, if that happens it would be inconceivable not to have the Yak 1b, 7b and Yak 9.

 

Not that I know anything about such things but I imagine that as there are so many similarities between the Yak 1 and those other aircraft it would probably not take as long to build them :)

 

I hope to see IL2 return to it's roots for a while, I would be sad if we skipped on to a totally different theater before the eastern front was complete. I have fond memories of seeing Yaks in my gun sights, just seeing the shape of it makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

 

If they do turn out to be the underdog I might switch sides and fly VVS instead. I've had 12 years of flying the 109 and 190, maybe it's time for a change :D

 

Ha ha wasn't it the G6 early that was the total dog? The late one (not the A/S) was ok if I remember correctly. I loved the G2 and F4 but the late war stuff didn't do anything for me. i think when everyone goes for the most powerful aircraft they use that power to iron out poor piloting a little, or at least they don't need to think so tactically.

 

Well, the version of the La-5 that we are getting is one that can be verified as actually participating directly in the Battle of Stalingrad, no? Our La-5 is not out of place in IL2 BOS, I hope. She may be the best overall performing VVS fighter ride I will have for some time to come. I have to look forward to something, while I get the stuffing knocked out of me online.   :lol: For a 1943 map, wouldn't we want to use the LA-5F or La-5FN against the FW-190, not the La-5? 

 

:salute: MJ

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i hope 777 will not 'use' Oleg's G-6 as a reference if theywill ever include one in their series :D

Could be worse, they could be using the G-2. ;)

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The La-5 first started flying combat in august 42. A newer slightly improved version of the La-5 flew in november, both were used at Stalingrad.

 

The La-5F and La-5FN are both post-stalingrad.

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Yeh it will be interesting to see how the G2 matches up against it. I really don't think the LW will be getting an easy ride in BOS.

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P.S. I just noticed that I did not qualify my use  of 1943.  By a 1943 map I meant a map of an  Eastern front  battle that took place sometime after February 3rd, 1943. I am not suggesting that the La-5 should not be used in an Il2 Bos mission that takes place in 1943, sometime prior to February 3rd, 1943. ;)     :salute: MJ

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The La-5 first started flying combat in august 42. A newer slightly improved version of the La-5 flew in november, both were used at Stalingrad.

 

The La-5F and La-5FN are both post-stalingrad.

 

Yes, indeed. I just  meant that the La-5 we have can surely be put to good use on our current map and that she is not out of place in an Il2 BOS mission, unless she is in a mission that takes place prior to her introduction. I just didn't want to tie her to the FW 190 in some Camel and DR1 type, if one than the other, relationship, if you get my drift.   :salute: MJ

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Since we are talking about the Yak9 originally, I hope to see the Yak9T in a future expansion. If it is just the right blend between agility, performance and firepower it would probably become my favourite.

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Yeh it will be interesting to see how the G2 matches up against it. I really don't think the LW will be getting an easy ride in BOS.

I should think that the G2 will hold the high ground, at least in armament, climb, dive, and probably forward speed, too.  :salute: MJ

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Ha ha wasn't it the G6 early that was the total dog? The late one (not the A/S) was ok if I remember correctly. I loved the G2 and F4 but the late war stuff didn't do anything for me. i think when everyone goes for the most powerful aircraft they use that power to iron out poor piloting a little, or at least they don't need to think so tactically.

 

The G-6 in IL-2 has always been a farce, especially compared to other versions of the same series. The G-2 which IRL was merely 70kg lighter felt like it was an entirely different breed, it matched its published performance data pretty well although the climb rate was rather optimistic but then again the vast majority of fighters in IL-2 was overmodelled in that regard. The G-6 had the turntime and radius of an aircraft with gondolas put on even at default loadout - combine that with a La-5FN in 1943 that had 1944 performance specs and you will be outclassed very badly online in a G-6.

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 For the Fall, my first ride will be the LaGG-3. When it comes to dealing with the BF-109, the LaGG-3 seems to be about the three T's: Tactics, teamwork, and teamspeak. By the time the Yak-1 razorback with the Klimov M-105PF comes out, i will probably consider that Yak-1 the best thing since sliced bread. :) Still, it will be interesting to see if the United Team intends to include planes like the Yak-1b, Yak-7b, or the Yak-9, as future add-ons. I hope to see the Yak-1b sometime soon. I would hate to find out that I am going to wait years for the Yak-1b, or never get a Yak-1b, after the FW 190 was fast tracked into the lineup. The Yak-1b belongs in this line up more so than the FW 190, in my opinion, and we will not have to wait years for the FW 190. If it were not for the big fandom of the Axis (and the FW-190, specifically) in this community, I highly doubt the team would have even considered making the FW-190, at all. The big issue will really come down to whether there is enough Global community interest in rides like the Yak-1b, the Yak- 7b, or the Yak-9, as there was interest in the FW- 190. So long as there is sufficient customer interest in such rides, in at least parts of the Global community, I think we will see them in game, otherwise we will not see these rides in IL2 BOS, sadly.

 

:salute: MJ

I doubt we would wait too long to see some additional Yak variants. The Yak-1 is a fine beginning and from the sounds of it will be able to give almost as good as it gets which is just fine to start. The Yak-7B and Yak-1B I would hope would be coming before too long as well. Maybe a double feature specially priced pack :D

 

I doubt we have much to worry about as the devs read this forum quite a bit, Yaks are popular fighters, are historically correct aircraft to add to the battle, and perhaps above all else... there isn't a great deal of difference between them so when it comes down to doing the model work you don't have to reinvent the wheel as often as you would with a totally different aircraft.

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