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  1. I did some introspection to see what gets me personally so riled up. In short, it's the self-congratulating stance, applied to civilisational diseaster that WW1 was for everyone fighting on his own territory. Germans (and presumably French) authors were much less prone about it, as their societies suffered a lot and there was no telling them the war was grand righteous adventure. British authors in general are much more prone to "we won, we were cool" stance, and when I read Barring making notes of himself reading Dante in middle of battle of Somme, or Bott confidently praising trainig in aerobatics RFC pilots received (which was harmful in combat and got pilots overconfident), I get this "are these guys for real?" feeling and cannot see them as credible. Lee fought and lived in the same enviroment, but he did not sugar coat his relations and they come out completly different. And, if author is visibly sugar-coating pilot morale and conditions on the front, why not plane performance? (The Britons are not only people who piss me off with that. Do not get me started on my own people, who took this stance to much higher (and self destructive) level. (Finally, British did have military with traditions, professionalism and standards easily matching Prussian Army. It was called Royal Navy, it defeated Germany by strangling her industry until the war become unsustainable, it had, for most of war, a great professional Air Service. I'm real fan of these guys.)
  2. You need to set blip switch (to your Soviet/British brake button), altitude throttle (to your mixture axis) and be prepared to fire overwing with cannon trigger ;).
  3. ... I hear you, Larner. (That's why devs implemented rules for FM input rather than rely on discussion threads ).
  4. The legend of Fokker Scourge is very good demonstration of that mechanism, several times at once, as facts have been used to misjudge, over or under emphasise plane performance. When the Germans first deployed the Eindeckers (by sending one-two to recon squadrons and saying pilots can fly them outside their normal duties), the Fokkers were taken over by most aggressive, most capable of German pilots. In their hands, Fokker gained reputation of unstoppable killing machine among B.E. crews - and rightly so, as they were flown by very good pilots. Boelcke, for instance, was bounced by young Guynemer flying N.11 over Verdun in spring 1916 while fl;ying an Eindecker - and sent him home wounded. When the Eindecker was finally captured intact and flown by British pilot, he discovered it was a completly unremarkable plane. Since then, the Fokker kiler plane reputation has been "disproved" and went down history as hysteria, oblivious to the fact that the "remarkable" part was pilot Germans were entrusting a Fokker with. It was also a limiter of number of Fokkers that could be deployed. Finally, end of the Fokker Scourge. Thanks to short sided policy of deploying very few Fokkers with best pilots (despite protests of said pilots, who demanded groups of fast biplanes as early as January 1916) Germans were completly unprepared for French deploying tens upon tens (if not hundereds) of Nieuports. N.11 was superior to Eindecker one or one, but what ended Fokker surpremacy at Verdun was numbers beating individual talent. D.H.2 hammered the lesson even deeper - by the time of Battle of Somme British had at least 3 squadrons of these, while Germans had together 30 single seaters in Somme area (with no reinforcements, as everything went for Verdun). The popular history says that B.E.2 was outclassed by Eindecker which was outclassed by N.11 and D.H.2 which were outclassed by Albatrosen until the equilibrium was reached... with numbers and deployment taken into account, it was more like "natural talent of prodigy pilots like Garros or Immelman outclassed two-seater crews, superior deployment of N.11 and D.H.2 squadrons beat the natural talent, while combination of Jastas (equal deployment), Dicta Boelcke (superb tactics) and Albatros planes effectively counrtered Entente squadrons.
  5. Now you are acting on pe-conceived prejudices (pretty dated ones, too). What psychopatic Prussians are you talking about? Bott keeps boasting supposed archivements of his No.70 squadron. If Bott was to be believed it was crack unit manned by superb pilots (he uses every opportunity to remind reader that Sopwith they were only RFC unit to fly was highly regarded by Germans, jumping to conclusion that this reputation was archived by his squadron - and conveniently forgetting there was boatload of much more competent RNAS in same area). He got me really fascinated when I read his book, so I made effort to cross-reference his stories to learn more. Fortunately the No.70 in time period features often in early history of Jasta Boelcke so I was able to find some facts on them - they were shot down a lot causing no casualties. Add to it tall tales backed by RFC victory confirmation standards that read well until you look the fight up book (I saw two planes go down in flames as we disengaged so we claimed two Huns down. And oh, two of our guys did not come back. [One guess what were two wrecks they reported and how many planes Germans actually lost]) . The horrifying part is, he apparently believed in what he wrote, and his account is very good look into heads of RFC before Bloody April. The sober part is, as source on anything but mindset you need the ton of salt when reading him, as his claims divide into exagerrated, wrong and beyond my ability to verify. Baring is worse; he wasn't even a trained soldier, but dandy who got himself into uniform through connections. He was kept around for his soft skills, but was very very convinced of his insight into military aviation and irreplacability as HQ - refusing numerous attempt to move him to diplomacy where his skills and connections would actually be useful. Said insights pretty much equaled excuses and misconceptions behind Trenchards blunders and is great insight into mans mindset (yeah, despite the rationalisations people came up with later he did believe you can control the air as if your planes could plant a flag in enemy airspace and leave - and never noticed that the Germans are not mirroring his approach). But again, if you want to description of realities of war, you need to be careful. The common thing about both sources? Inability to notice, or unwillingness to voice own (or own sides) shortcomings. Certanity displayed while jumping to conclussion, when word perhaps or maybe owuld be better suited. Absent in books of GoldLee who is very critical of things done wrong while praising things done right, not to mention Boelcke, Richthofen, Bohme or Fuchs who were very critical of themselves. Possibly the target readers were able to read between the lines of this, but these books just shouldn't be treated literally by modern reader. All of this makes me cautious when reading aviator accounts, and doubly so in case of British because, in best case, there are strong cultural differences between me and intended reader. IMO pilots letters to friends and families may be the most honest source - but these rarely deal with operational details.
  6. IIRC 150HP HS was really very reliable engine, 200hp much less so. No idea about Viper.
  7. Bear in mind that they likely are not flying the 100 years old relics at top performance :). If you get what you can in writing, it may be easier to pass it to devs.
  8. This. Maneuvrability means ease of changing planes attitude - opposite of stability, which is ease of maintaining it. S.E. is very maneuvrable, especially when trimmed to be tail-heavy, and pretty stable if trimmed nose-heavy. I did read accounts from both sides. The authors cathegory of "is that for real / is he even writing about the same war?" is dominated by British. They were often writing to impress. (Arthur GoldLee is one notable exception. Alan Bott and Maurice Baring are most notorious champions so far). (Perhaps it says more of ghost writers they had available, but it changes nothing on books reliability as source material. ) I believe both Waggaz and Larner live couple of hours away.
  9. (A veterans anecdote:) I remember the planes in BoX that used adjustible stabiliser rather than trim (Bf-109 chief among them) were very sensitive to the stabiliser setting. Years ago. Cries that BF sucks in turn and zoom, answers from succesful pilots to watch the stabiliser. I don't follow WW2 stuff close enough to remember where it ended. It may be one of factors behind poor energy retention.
  10. They are anything but. Isolated anecdotes of WW1 pilots that flew the type are unreliable and can be used to prove exactly anything if you pick sources the way you want it (compare speed of Dr.I discussions). Facts are mixed with delusions, propaganda, self- and buddy- promotion, wishful thinking and errors. Brittons, being obliged to add a "stiff upper lip" filter, are even more prone of that. From what you said, in your tests you guys are trying to fly the S.E as if it was a Spad / RoF SE against experienced Albie pilot and found her lacking. Well, don't. Trying to match her against a simulated plane she is not, or against your favourite part of pilot tall tales, will only end in tears. Not to mention devs went through all that wishlisting back in RoF and in this product have made quite strict rules of what makes valid FM input - given how apocryphical WW1 stuff is, few data short of Chills plane qualify. We had been in this kind of discussions ad nauseaum back in RoF. We made devs sick of it. Ultimately, it always ends with having to go out there and re-learn the plane we have. We might as well skip to that phase.
  11. This. OMG, this. You guys have goaded me to grab an S.E.5.a and join 1PL for an evening of test flying. The result was 6 kills and no deaths for me. I didn't try to turn her into Spad imitation, I fly her like Albie/Pfalz. She rolls, she prophangs, she follows the shifting target precisely through dive and prophang with slight touch of rudder, and once she's lined up she annihilates planes. I'm in love. Thanks for making me try her.
  12. Thank you. Is Bristol skin compatibile with both variants, or intended for just one of them?
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