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  1. And like me you will not until you finally hit something...😂 Having the MG's on the nose was viewed as an aid to the average pilot since he had not to deal with the convergence. The bullet travelled straight (except for the gravity drop, but I've read somewere that the trajectory was considered flat up to 300m, if I manage to find the article I'll post it), so aiming was easier. Italian pilots were NOT trained to deflection shot (well, it can be said that they weren't trained at all, since the shooting training was to shoot at a bunch of balloons...) and basically the tactic was to glue to the enemy's six and shoot. In this condition the two Bredas were adequate. Moreover, since the engines were at least one year behind the opponent's, with a lack of at least 200/300 hp, saving weight was crucial, so neither cannons, nor mg's where fitted in the wings (as previously mentioned the two 7,7 were often dumped). Only with the availability of the DB605 there was sufficient power to adopt cannons: the standard armament planned for the Serie 5 fighters was 3x20 mm + 2x12,7mm. The C205 received only 2x20mm since it was not a real "Serie 5", but a C202 with the DB605 and could not accomodate the cannon in the nose. Actually, at the beginning it was named C202V, where V was for Veloce, fast (the real Macchi Serie 5 was the C205 Orione, but this is another story), and was accepted as Serie 5 because of the possibility to immediatly start the production, whereas the production lines for the G55 and the Re2005 had to be prepared.
  2. Exactly, it's a behaviour wanted by the developers and don't reflect what apparently was the behaviour of the real plane. Obviously none of us knows how *really* flew, but by all accounts I have read -also "enemie's"- no mention was made of easy spin and/or difficult recovery from, nor of laziness at low speed. It is well known that at stall the Macchis dropped the right wing -and I assume the also went into a spin- but I never read of unrecoverable spinning. As I mentioned, the only known death due to flat spin were those occurred at two C200's pilots ant that of C202 of Sergente Maggiore Valle. Anyway, I'm happy to see the Macchis (and the Fiat) modeled in this game and I'm grateful to the developer. I hope that more Regia Aeronautica planes will follow.
  3. Hi. I don't know if it is a bug, but it happened to me some times having the plane damaged as I was shot at, but with no apparent reason because I did not hear any hit, nor I was involved in fights. Last time yesterday evening, I was landing at Bardia when suddenly my plane ceased to respond and a message appeared saying I lost rudder and ailerons controls and oil line was damaged. I did not hear any hit on my plane, no holes on the wings or whatsoever. After I crashed a message appeared saying I was shot down by cruiser ship X, ship that I never attacked or approached. Ther was indeed a ship group off the coast, but it was far and I did not see any AA activity or tracers. Maybe it's just my connection, which is not optimal (ping time around 100ms), or maybe it's a bug. Do someone have had same problem?
  4. Instructor's techincal commet was:" Ciò, mona, ma no ti gà capìo che 'l Machi da guera xe diverso??" 😁
  5. *EXCELLENT*! Precious and detailed informations, thanks! I immediatly ordered the book...😁
  6. Absolutely! I agree 100% Moving away from Med theathre would put TFS in collision route with IL2 and othe sims. Europe had been already "simulated" zillion times, as Flanker says. The Med theatre instead is an extremely rare yet extremely interesting scenario, since it offers the possibility to fly uncommon planes and to have combined operations between air/land/sea forces with all the playing consequences. I feel meaningless to move away from the Med theathre. Instead, you should expand the scenario towards Malta campaign, El Alamein, Sicily and following Italy campaign, where all the best of the allied planes can be added among some gem like C205, Re2005, G55 both in cobelligerant and RSI markings... As for now, C200, Ba65 and SM79 are *urgently* needed.
  7. A clarification: the C200 in the colour photo had the modified wing (variable profile). No C200s with constant profile wing entered the war. Yet during the plane prodution the wing profile underwent some modifications (for example the "edge" as picted in the photo). When the C202s arrived, for a matter of standardization the C200s received the same wing, since it was interchangeable with the old. To differentiate between the C200 series, the "Ispettorato Superiore Tecnico Militare", i.e. the office that oversaw the production of the military equipments, defined following classification: C200: first production serie with modified wing, engine A74RC38 C200 A2: serie with wing and carriage of C202, engine A74RC38 C200 B2: serie with only leading edge of C202, engine A74RC38
  8. In the first attached image the C200 prototype. The wing looks straight and not tapered. In the color image of a C200 II serie it can be seen how the profile was "edgy" (look at the white triangle). Castoldi tried this to gain some mph, but this worsened the stall behaviour. In the first image the C202. The wings are clearly tapered. In the second and third image the profile can be seen: it is clearly round. The wings of C200 and C202 *were* different. Thus different was the behaviour. Period. As for the accident that cost Sgt.Valle his life, it may be perfectly possible that it was caused by a lost of consciousness due to the centrifugal stresses or the faulty oxygen system -which was well known to be prone to malfunctioning- or both rather than the impossibility to recover from the spin.
  9. That doesen't mean that C202 had the same behaviour. The C202 wing was a new design compared to the C200 wing and was deisgned *exactly* to overcome the spin problem of the C200. Moreover, from 1940 on the C200s received a modified wing that greatly reduced the spin problem (the "famous" wing that Ing. Stefanutti modified by literally glueing balsa sheets on the C200's wing...). Latter batches of C200 received the new wing designed for the future C202; probably that's why it is said that C200 and C202 had the same wing. It is not completely true, since the wing was the same only from the latter C200s on. There is only one recorded accident of unrecoverable spin on the C202. Would the C202 have spun like in the sim, all the italian pilots would have died at the very first turn... When pulled too hard the C202 (and the C205) dropped the wing and could possibly spin, but not in the way modelled in DW. At least I'm not aware of recorded evidence of spin problem, except the mentioned accident . Still, I'm happy to see the C202 in the sim and I'm grateful to the team for this. Let me say that exactly because of the effort you put in modelling the C202 it's worth to correct this issue.
  10. This is what Ing. Stefanutti did on the wings of the C200. He glued balsa sheets on the wings to shape a variable profile (I mean, airfoil X at the root and airfoil Y at the tip). This resolved the spin problem and led to the new wing desing of following C200 series and then C202/C205. The accident reported by Antonio Duma is the only (AFAIK) reported spin accident of a late Macchi. JG77 pilots, that used for some months the C205 in 1944, reported that she dropped the wing when pulled too hard, but they did not report of uncontrollable spin. The C202 in DW seems quite off. Below 300 km/h gives the impression that will fall at any moment and tries to kill you at every turn, over 300 km/h feels (to me) sort of "mushy" and slow to respond, but maybe I have to trim the input configuration. Speed and climb seem credible, at least.
  11. In this respect the FM is completely wrong. Indeed the Macchis had the tendency to drop the right wing and even enter in a spin when pulled too hard, but *not* in that way. Otherways *all* the italian pilots would have died at the first turn... This "infamy" comes from the bad spin behaviour of the early C200s, that had a nasty tendency to spin because of the constant profile wing. Despite this, March 1st 1938 engineer Ambrogio Colombo presented the C200 to the military commission and wrote in the report: "tutte le entrate in vite avvennero naturalmente per distacco della vena fluida e i giri furono dovuti ad autorotazione... L’uscita dalla vite avvenne sempre regolarmente in meno di mezzo giro; dopo il terzo giro l’apparecchio aveva tendenza all’uscita, tanto da costringere al contrasto con gli alettoni per mantenervelo, ciò specialmente a sinistra...Nelle viti più lunghe (5 giri) furono persi m 1300 di quota in totale" I try to translate, forgive my english: "[the plane] entered in all the spins naturally due to flow separation and the turns were caused by autorotation...exiting the spins happened always regularly in less than half a rotation; after the third rotation the plane had the tendency to exit the spin, so much that it was necessary to contrast this by the ailerons, especially in left spin...in the longest spins (5 turns) a total of 1300m of altitude were lost". So, the C200 actually entered in spins, but also recovered easily. Unfortunatly the weight of the further equiments requested by the Regia Aeronautica altered the CoG position, giving the plane an erratic behaviour and making difficult the spin recovery. First batch of C200 was forced down after two pilots died because their C200s entered in a spin at low altitude and crashed. The problem was corrected in the following batches by adopting a variable profile for the wing, as suggested to Castoldi by Ing. Stefanutti. The C200 wing was modified through almost all the production and many modifications to the profile were tested. The wing of the C202/C205 followed these experiences and adopted variable profile and other improvements. The C202 *did not* have the tendency to spin like the early C200. When pulled too hard dropped the right wing and may have possibly entered in a spin, but *not* in the way the eraly C200s did. AFAIK, the only victim of an unrecoverable spin of a Macchi 202 was Maggiore Antonio Valle, a pilot of 4° Stormo Caccia who died testing the C202. It is necessary that TFS corrects this aspect of the 202, that is antihistorical and also makes flying the C202 quite frustrating.
  12. Got the game, but where can I find instructions for the planes? I'm trying to fly with the C202 but I'm frying the engine at take off...
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